River Darter

I was told of a darter that my boss use to catch in the river when he was younger. Hes from brokenbow, oklahoma. He discribed it as the male had red white and blue on it... But heard they maybe endangered or not alive... anyone have any ideas. From the pics i found i want to bread them and hopefully help the epa reintroduced them into the red river... Help

First pic the fish was named: Etowah Darter Etheostoma etowahae
http://www.georgiaen...tent/m-2120.jpg

Second pic: alabama-darter-ehteostoma ramseyi
http://www.samford.e...darter-male.jpg

I am not familiar with the first darter, but I have caught ramseyi before. It is one of the "new" snubnose darters that has been recently separated from simoterum. We got them in central AL by the seinefull. We also got tons of gorgeous Notropis chrosomus from the same stream. The chrosomus looked unreal, like little neon signs swimming around in a shallow creek.

I am not familiar with the first darter, but I have caught ramseyi before. It is one of the "new" snubnose darters that has been recently separated from simoterum. We got them in central AL by the seinefull. We also got tons of gorgeous Notropis chrosomus from the same stream. The chrosomus looked unreal, like little neon signs swimming around in a shallow creek.

is there anyway anyone could give me some?! please im tryin to set up a tank for my squadron crew cheif section at my airforce base...

i am also looking for some wild sailfin mollies

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...i want to bread them...

I think they might taste good panfried in butter with a little lemon pepper.

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I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, Uland. Fisgokie appears to have used links. Or is it that you would like to see the links prefaced with a citation?

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, Uland. Fisgokie appears to have used links. Or is it that you would like to see the links prefaced with a citation?

Uland already fixed them.

I was told of a darter that my boss use to catch in the river when he was younger. Hes from brokenbow, oklahoma. He discribed it as the male had red white and blue on it... But heard they maybe endangered or not alive... anyone have any ideas. From the pics i found i want to bread them and hopefully help the epa reintroduced them into the red river... Help

First pic the fish was named: Etowah Darter Etheostoma etowahae
http://www.georgiaen...tent/m-2120.jpg

Second pic: alabama-darter-ehteostoma ramseyi
http://www.samford.e...darter-male.jpg

You might not want to catch and keep etowah darters since they're listed as Endangered under the ESA. And anyway they're endemic to the Etowah River in Jawjuh.

Uland already fixed them.

Oh. Okay. Sorry.

That etheostoma ramseyi is a strikingly beautiful fish! Wow! I'd like to get down there into its territory.

I was told of a darter that my boss use to catch in the river when he was younger. Hes from brokenbow, oklahoma. He discribed it as the male had red white and blue on it... But heard they maybe endangered or not alive... anyone have any ideas. From the pics i found i want to bread them and hopefully help the epa reintroduced them into the red river... Help

First pic the fish was named: Etowah Darter Etheostoma etowahae
http://www.georgiaen...tent/m-2120.jpg

Second pic: alabama-darter-ehteostoma ramseyi
http://www.samford.e...darter-male.jpg

If your boss caught them near Broken Bow, I'd be willing to bet big money that they are orangebelly darters (Etheosoma radiosum). They are not endangered and are actually common as fleas in just about every suitable creek in the area. They could also have been orangethroat or possibly creole darters. While creole darters aren't exactly common in southeastern OK, they are certainly not endangered. The federally threatened leopard darter (Percina pantherina) does live in the area, but has no blue or red coloration.

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i want the top three darters on this link

if i could get away from base i would get them but thanks to the n. koreans i cant as of right now... could anyone help me out?

whipplei was what I thought of according to your color description.

The first two darters you gave with links are no where near Oklahoma.

whipplei was what I thought of according to your color description.

The first two darters you gave with links are no where near Oklahoma.

is the whipplei from oklahoma?

A good resource for you to use is the NatureServe native fish distributional map and database. Check out their site, www.natureserve.org and you should be able to find it on their main data page. While it isn't 100% up to date or correct on some of the historical/current listings it is an exceptional resource.

i cant understand that site at all.. need help

is the whipplei from oklahoma?

Yes, but not in the Broken Bow area. It replaces the orangebelly further north.

i cant understand that site at all.. need help

Follow this link:
http://www.natureser...let/NatureServe

Type in the name of what you are looking for, either the "scientific" name or the common name. Type it into the "Search by Name" box. It will list all matches.

Since this thread is about river darters (or so titled), type in "river darter". "You will see a link to Percina Shumardi, River Darter". If you had just typed in "darter", you would have gotten a long list of darters. You might have to scroll a few pages looking for river darter.

Now that you've found "river darter", click the link. You will find a page with various expandable headers, each with different types of information. Click any header to expand the section. IMHO, the most useful are the "Distribution" and "Ecology & Life History" sections. The "Distribution" section gives you information on where you might expect to find a fish, or not find it. I believe, correct me somebody if I'm wrong, this is based on native ranges, and introduced populations may exist elsewhere. The "Ecology & Life History" section gives you information on the lifestyle of the fish, what it eats, how big it gets, whether it is a bottom dweller, etc.

If you follow this link:
http://www.natureser...dHucs/index.jsp
you can zoom in and click a map of major watersheds. You will then get a list of fish that have been found in that major watershed, recently ("current") or historically (possibly no longer present). You won't get individual streams, and it won't tell you where the fish were seen, but you know the fish are in the area, and can start sampling streams in the area looking for them.

Also, if you want to see just what is in one or more particular states and/or provinces, click the "Location" tab and check the appropriate boxes.

I hope this helps.

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i want the top three darters on this link

if i could get away from base i would get them but thanks to the n. koreans i cant as of right now... could anyone help me out?

Speckled darters aren't very good aquarium fish in my experience. I've taken individuals from multiple subdrainages of the Tennessee River at all times of the year and only had one make it to 3 months. They are stikingly beautiful about early March here.