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Is this a green/bluegill hybrid
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 09:38 PM
i caught this fish in a dipnet the other day in a lake in northern ca that has greens, bluegill, warmouth and green sunfish hybrids, it looks different then any of the other fry i have caught in there, is it a hybrid?
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 11:14 PM
It may be a hybrid. What else have you caught from the same location? If you have only captured bluegill and green sunfish and this one looks a little different then your gut instinct may be correct.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 12:28 AM
i ahve caught bluegill greens and warmouth and my friend has cught adult hybrids.It may be a hybrid. What else have you caught from the same location? If you have only captured bluegill and green sunfish and this one looks a little different then your gut instinct may be correct.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 01:11 AM
I caught one that looked just like this one of yours in the Winooski River in VT. I have caught many baby pumpkinseeds, but they all looked more colorful and did not have the cool chain-link pattern that this one has. As time has gone by, this fish has turned out to be extremely colorful, but he lost his chain-link pattern as he got older. I have found a few references that say immature pumpkinseeds look like this, but then that does not explain why all the other ones I have caught at the same size were already very colorful? I did not keep any of them as I already had this one and no room for more big guys.
I suspect he is a hybrid, or are all the other ones I am finding hybrids?
Sorry that is not really helpful. I guess I am in the same boat.
He's my favorite fish, along with my bullhead.
I suspect he is a hybrid, or are all the other ones I am finding hybrids?
Sorry that is not really helpful. I guess I am in the same boat.
He's my favorite fish, along with my bullhead.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 03:31 PM
here is the pic again as it is now not showing up
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:58 PM
Are there pumpkinseed sunfish there also? It sort of has some of that coloration also.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:13 PM
no, there are no pumkinseeds there.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:16 PM
do you have any pics?I caught one that looked just like this one of yours in the Winooski River in VT. I have caught many baby pumpkinseeds, but they all looked more colorful and did not have the cool chain-link pattern that this one has. As time has gone by, this fish has turned out to be extremely colorful, but he lost his chain-link pattern as he got older. I have found a few references that say immature pumpkinseeds look like this, but then that does not explain why all the other ones I have caught at the same size were already very colorful? I did not keep any of them as I already had this one and no room for more big guys.
I suspect he is a hybrid, or are all the other ones I am finding hybrids?
Sorry that is not really helpful. I guess I am in the same boat.
He's my favorite fish, along with my bullhead.
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 03:02 AM
Yes I do have pics, and would love to put them up. I can't seem to find my camera though. When I do I'll be sure to put them up.
Only thing is, my pumkinseed looked exactly like your fish when I caught it.
I spent months trying to figure out what it was. It was driving me nuts! Now it looks totally different.
As it has grown it has lost the chain-link pattern and is becoming more and more colorful all the time. When it was small it was sort of olive green and brown, then became more of a brighter, electric sort of green, then developed red streaks from the mouth to the gill, red ear spot,and red polkadots, now it is getting very blue, but still has the red markings and some green.
I do not have pics from when it was small.
Only thing is, my pumkinseed looked exactly like your fish when I caught it.
I spent months trying to figure out what it was. It was driving me nuts! Now it looks totally different.
As it has grown it has lost the chain-link pattern and is becoming more and more colorful all the time. When it was small it was sort of olive green and brown, then became more of a brighter, electric sort of green, then developed red streaks from the mouth to the gill, red ear spot,and red polkadots, now it is getting very blue, but still has the red markings and some green.
I do not have pics from when it was small.
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 12:10 AM
I think your initial guess it correct after further discussion and looking at the photo closely. Warmouth hybrids are very rare and it does not look like a straight green or bluegill. I too was curious about maybe P-seed x green but if you have never found any i think it probably is a green x bluegill.
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 04:39 PM
Pumpkinseed.
They occur in California?
They occur in California?
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 07:49 PM
I guess not, but then again I caught a round goby from the Black Sea in a swamp in northern NY, so one never knows.Pumpkinseed.
They occur in California?
I wonder if mine a crossbreed? He has that single black line on his dorsal fin.
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 06:21 PM
that is one crazy looking pumpkinseed you have there elijah
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Posted 23 December 2009 - 07:47 PM
Do you think it might be a hybrid?that is one crazy looking pumpkinseed you have there elijah
I have caught and released many small very brightly colored pumpkinseeds, but this one was pretty dull colored when I caught him. He looked just like the one at the top of this post.It took me forever to ID him and then I am occasionally second guessing my ID.
He seems to change from a more blue based color to an almost metallic green. Sometimes his reds get really bright and then fade into the blues getting really bright. Also when he is in breeding mode his fins are almost rainbow colored as you can see in the pic.
I did mess with the pic a bit to try to clear it up, but I do not think I tweeked his coloring. In fact he is sometimes quite a bit more colorful in the green and blue dept. than in the pic. I am constantly amazed by him!
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Posted 24 December 2009 - 12:36 AM
Pumpkinseed.
They occur in California?
Yes. They have been introduced several areas. Several reservoirs of the upper Feather river drainage are notably infested. Davis Lake, site of the Pike/rotenone incident (x2), somehow still has a good population...
There are several gravel quarry ponds about a mile south of the Thermalito afterbay (near Oroville) on the west side of the Feather river that are chock full of several billion stunted p-seeds.
There are a few populations in Contra Costa county, lots of little pockets around southern CA.
Rick
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