The reason this is a valid topic is animal activists want to stop humans from useing animals in any way!

This includes fish!

The Humane Society of the United States is not as bad as say PETA but they were involved in the fish can feel hooks and fishing should be stoped campains. These groups like to pick things that most people wont care about, and slowly chip away untill animals have the same rights as you and me. (How would you like to be locked up in a glass tank, don't be mistaken we are on their list of things to stop!)

I beleve all Pet Owners, Farmers, Fishermen, Hunters, & Trapers need to band together to stop all radical animal activeist groups. So we can have pets, eat meat, & enjoy the outdoors.

This will be my last post on the subject if everyone here wants to wait untill the animal rights groups target NANFA in particular!

But I hope not!

Mike Berg

Mike, i dont believe that anyone here intended to step directly on your toes by closing that other thread, It is just historically known that political discussions will invariably lead to dis-harmony on any discussion forum, and that was a topic, that would never be solved here, so its probably best to let it be discussed elsewhere.

The reason this is a valid topic is animal activists want to stop humans from useing animals in any way!

This includes fish!

The Humane Society of the United States is not as bad as say PETA but they were involved in the fish can feel hooks and fishing should be stoped campains. These groups like to pick things that most people wont care about, and slowly chip away untill animals have the same rights as you and me. (How would you like to be locked up in a glass tank, don't be mistaken we are on their list of things to stop!)

I beleve all Pet Owners, Farmers, Fishermen, Hunters, & Trapers need to band together to stop all radical animal activeist groups. So we can have pets, eat meat, & enjoy the outdoors.

This will be my last post on the subject if everyone here wants to wait untill the animal rights groups target NANFA in particular!

But I hope not!

Mike Berg

Your wasting time on the wrong targets. These groups are irrelevant and pointless in the bigger picture. They really can not do anything substantial.

Key issue and problem with them is in Education of people that are isolated and kept away from the outdoor sports or an Ecologic education. Those without this are the people that these fanatic nutcases prey upon and victimize. It is us against them. Either we reach them or they reach them. Your doing no good here by speaking to your own congregation.

Really want to do something volunteer to get some kids (or even adults) outdoors so they can see what it is really all about. Work to get them to see what is really going on just in their own backyard. Your never going to accomplish anything complaining about these fringe groups on the Internet.

I was just trying to give out a e-mail address for any that wanted to send Yellow Tail Wine a message.

I was not looking for a debate, here it is again info@wjdeutsch.com (Mr.Deutsch)
Sounds like Yellow Tail is also bad for the enviroment according to the other topic post.

Yes I know we have to incurage others, thats why I am still a Boy Scout merit badge counciler even though my son already aged out in 2008.
My brother & I host a council wide fishing derby every year for the Boy & Girl Scouts. (his kids aged out too)
I am also very active in local clubs etc..

Thank you

Mike Berg

I think most of us are open to a pretty broad range of topics on this Forum, as long as they're at least plausibly fish-related. From my point of view, the issue here is that the original post was simply alarmist and devoid of any context for why NANFA members might oppose or support the agenda of The Humane Society of the United States. I'm sure there are plenty of forums where revealing that a company is in any way associated with the "animal rights" movement is enough to get everyone on board for a boycott, but that's not this audience.

I was browsing through the HSUS website, and checked out the page on aquarium fish: http://www.humanesoc.../aquarium_fish/ . They are definitely not against keeping fish in general, but rather advocate for keeping fish in decent conditions (no goldfish in 1 gallon unfiltered bowls, etc.) I think we can all agree that's fine -- ensuring that you're providing a healthy environment for your fish is a very common theme in threads here, especially when talking with beginning fish keepers.

But... there is the quote:

And remember—wild fish should never be caught and kept as pets.

Now THAT is directly relevant to NANFA members. My guess is that it's an over-generalization to dissuade people from bringing home fish that the average aquarium keeper doesn't know how to care for -- but it is interesting. It's not going to cause me to boycott Yellow Tail wine, but it might be appropriate for someone from the NANFA organization to send a letter to HSUS questioning that statement. Providing that the wild population is stable and the aquarium keeper is able to provide the required conditions/food for a particular species, I find it hard to justify how purchasing tropical species from the aquarium trade is "more humane" than collecting from the wild. I think it would be quite possible to convince any but the most irrational individuals that fish captured from a pond have a better life than those which pass through Wal-Mart...

I was browsing through the HSUS website, and checked out the page on aquarium fish:

But... there is the quote: And rember - wild fish should never be caught and kept as pets.

Now THAT is directly relevant to NANFA members.

This is why I braught it up on this web sight, they are agenst us. Its a good idea for someone from NANFA to get a responce from them.

Also they file lawsuits with the States DNR's to stop hunts or trapping etc. and waste tax payers money that otherwise would be used for conservation.
(fish included)

Again I brought this up incase anyone was interested, no one has to read it.

It is related & an important topic, plants, or jobs are not fish but they are a related topics.
I don't find them interesting so I don't read them. We are all free to read what we like.

Mike Berg