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Are these mimic shiners?

Started by Guest_moxostoma_* , Apr 19 2010 11:34 PM

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#1 Guest_moxostoma_*

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 11:34 PM

These were captured in the St. Croix River near Osceola, Wisconsin. They were near shore in sand or rocky bottoms in slight current. Any input would be greatly appreciated!

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#2 Guest_Uland_*

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 09:48 AM

Take any of my ID's with a grain of salt.

Looking at scale pigment (melanophores?) and the faint coloration above the lateral line, I would say that fish is a mimic shiner and similar to those I've seen in Northern Illinois and Indiana. Your fish appears to be a bit more slender than what I'm used to but only slightly. The snout seems a bit funky but that might be due to the hook. Nothing about that fish says "sand shiner" to me. I should also note that my experience with N. volucellus is pretty limited.

I'm curious to see what other, more experienced people have to say.

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#3 Guest_darter1_*

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 02:47 PM

Are these all different fish? The first picture is definately N. volucellus. It is hard to see tall scales on the second two pictures (pigment doesn't always help). Another trait I have used that has held up fairly well in our populations in PA is the triangular anal pigmentation (between anus and anal fin). I can see it in the first picture, but I don't see it as well on the others. Sometimes these two can be tough to seperate, remember the sand shiner has 7 anal rays (if you are able to count them clearly). Hope this helps a little.

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#4 Guest_NativePA_*

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 03:44 PM

I agree with darter1, pic 1 is volucellus for sure, second pic I'd say volucellus too. Can't tell on #3 though.

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#5 Guest_moxostoma_*

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:25 PM

The 2nd and 3rd photos are the same fish. The 1st is a different one. Thanks for the input

Edited by moxostoma, 21 April 2010 - 10:26 PM.

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#6 Guest_Jan_*

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 04:39 PM

ON A HOOK AND LINE?!
What LB test?

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#7 Guest_nativeplanter_*

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 11:46 AM

ON A HOOK AND LINE?!
What LB test?

Forget what lb test.... what size hook? 16?

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#8 Guest_moxostoma_*

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 02:09 PM

Forget what lb test.... what size hook? 16?

1 lb test line, size 26 hook. Check out the fly tying dept of a sporting goods store or fishing specialty shop, they sell pretty tiny hooks. I also know a guy living in Laos who can get even smaller and thinner hooks there.