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chub-shiner thingy?

Started by Guest_gerald_* , May 12 2010 11:20 AM

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#1 Guest_gerald_*

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 11:20 AM

Caught this guy in a small creek, upper Neuse River basin north of Raleigh. Opinions?? I'm thinking it might be a bluehead chub x white shiner. Those were the two dominant species I caught with him; other minnows found were swallowtail, spottail and satinfin shiners. He was more bronzy colored like a chub when first caught (white bucket syndrome). Had I been 100+ miles north I might have mistaken him for a fallfish.

Sorry about the Flexibacter on the tail. I'm treating it with Jungle Binox (nitrofurazone) and salt, and will get more pix when he/she is recovered and hopefully in better color.

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Edited by gerald, 12 May 2010 - 11:26 AM.

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#2 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:58 PM

Is common shiner a possibility?

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#3 Guest_UncleWillie_*

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 10:29 PM

Looks a lot like a red shiner to me, but that is a long shot as my silvery minnow ID's are limited.

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#4 Guest_blakemarkwell_*

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 11:15 PM

Funky Luxilus is all that is coming to my mind....

Blake

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#5 Guest_darter1_*

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:52 AM

I agree he resembles a Luxilus... White shiner is a possability. 8 anal rays?? Could this be a washed out Cresent shiner? I think they can have 8 anal rays... not familier with the drainages down there.

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#6 Guest_gerald_*

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 10:48 AM

White shiner normally has 9 anal rays, bluehead chub has 7, this fish has 8.

Dorsal fin does not have Cyprinella-like shape or pigment, and the eye is larger than those of satinfin shiners I caught with him. (That's the only Cyprinella that oughta be there).

So far there's no records of red shiner or common shiner in Neuse basin (but white shiner looks nearly identical to common shiner).

Bull chub is within that range, but usually in bigger streams. This was a tiny creek that runs into a reservoir close downstream.

Jenkins & Burkhead Freshwater Fishes of VA (1994) states that bluehead chub can hybridize with Luxilis, Campostoma, Phoxinus, and Clinostomus.

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#7 Guest_darter1_*

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 12:47 PM

I can entertain the idea of it possibly being a White shiner F1 hybrid(mainly because of the 8 anal rays). I honestly do not see chub in him at all. I say this because of head shape, body shape, and eye large and not high on head. Not sure if you might be able to see that sneaky barbel through the tank or not, many Nocomis hybrids I've seen will retain this feature. Nice fish though... hope you figure this one out.

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#8 Guest_gerald_*

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 10:32 AM

He died, but i got a few more pix, including frontal and top view showing how he's wider than a normal white shiner (though not as round as a bluehead chub). I dont see any barbel. Preserved him in ethanol. SL = 79 mm.