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shiner ID help

Started by Guest_moxostoma_* , May 31 2010 06:25 PM

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#1 Guest_moxostoma_*

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 06:25 PM

I caught these in the Chippewa River north of Durand, WI. Are they spotfin shiners? Mimic Shiners? Something else?

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#2 Guest_donkeyman876_*

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 08:11 PM

I'de guess spotfin. They look like other ones I've seen.

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#3 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 08:52 PM

Spottail shiner?

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#4 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 02:28 PM

Spottail shiner?

N. hudsonius?

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#5 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:26 PM

N. hudsonius?

yeah, that is what I am thinking. I have limited experience with them. Maybe one of the northerners/ Mississippi drainage guys will confirm or deny.

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#6 Guest_BTDarters_*

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 04:27 AM

Those appear to be Sand Shiners or Mimic Shiners. Your photos are good and I think that we should be able to get a definitive ID on them. The person to contact would be John Lyons of the Wisconsin DNR. He's the native non-game expert in the state. His email is: John.Lyons@Wisconsin.gov. If you can get an answer from him, please let us know!

Brian

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#7 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 09:27 PM

Those appear to be Sand Shiners or Mimic Shiners. Your photos are good and I think that we should be able to get a definitive ID on them. The person to contact would be John Lyons of the Wisconsin DNR. He's the native non-game expert in the state. His email is: John.Lyons@Wisconsin.gov. If you can get an answer from him, please let us know!

Brian

I would buy that. In fact these two fish give me so much trouble IDing that I just lump them together.

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#8 Guest_darter1_*

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:54 AM

The first two look to me like sand shiners and the last one a mimic. These are just guesses based on the size of scales on anterior lateral line series. The first two being normal, the last more elevated with a flattened posterior side of the scale.
Page/Burr uses a "nippled eye" characteristic for sand shiners as well but that doesn't always hold up (from what I've seen).
I can't count anal fins in the pics, but sand-7 mimic-8.
Mimic also tends to have a triangular-shaped pigment area between cloaca and anal fin. Sand shiner will have some pigment around cloaca and anal fin but usually not a definitive triangle between. This is based off the populations in PA that I see frequently.
Hope this helps.

Tim

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#9 Guest_Uland_*

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 09:54 AM

If you believe the ID, this post might help?
http://forum.nanfa.o...dpost__p__58553

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#10 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:50 PM

Uland, do you have a good photo of a spot tail shiner. I don't see them locally, and have really only seen them over your direction.

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#11 Guest_CATfishTONY_*

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:02 PM

Uland, do you have a good photo of a spot tail shiner. I don't see them locally, and have really only seen them over your direction.

skipjack im sure brian posted one on the state site from ulands collection
http://www.ohiodnr.c...23/Default.aspx

Edited by CATfishTONY, 03 June 2010 - 06:04 PM.

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#12 Guest_Uland_*

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:42 PM

Uland, do you have a good photo of a spot tail shiner. I don't see them locally, and have really only seen them over your direction.

I have "a" photo but it's rather poor and Tony is correct. I'll link to the image in the NANFA gallery here.

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#13 Guest_NateTessler13_*

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 09:48 AM

These fish are not Spottail Shiner (Notropis hudsonius). I'm fairly confident that they are Mimic Shiner (Notropis volucellus). From seeing plenty of both species, the body shape and scale pattern is indicative of a Mimic Shiner. The "spot" which is characteristic of a Spottail Shiner should be prominent on a fish that size if it were a Spottail. Also, most Spottail Shiner I've seen have been almost white in coloration.