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Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:37 AM

I guess I really like gobies... and was wondering that if I were to collect some, am I legally able to keep some with my collecter's permit or do they have to be destroyed or what is the case with these?

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 11:56 AM

I guess I really like gobies... and was wondering that if I were to collect some, am I legally able to keep some with my collecter's permit or do they have to be destroyed or what is the case with these?



I can't speak with any certaintly regarding Wisconsin's regulations, but I would guess that a collector's permit would not be sufficient to keep round gobies. I think these may be on a list of federally prohibited species, and am guessing that the only places that would be permitted to keep them would be scientific institutions that are actively studying them, and perhaps public zoos / aquariums. If you are out fishing or seining/netting and happen to capture a few, I don't know that you would be required to destroy them (though you might), but again, I am guessing that you would not be allowed to keep them.
Hopefully someone with a little more knowledge about Wisconsin's regs or the fish's Federal Status will comment.

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 02:06 PM

It is illegal to capture, possess, and transport Round gobies in Wisconsin.

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 02:43 PM

darn :( I just found that same information in my handbook (at work makes it hard to locate the info... lol)

I really REALLY wanted to go collect these, but i guess thats a no.. now on to the next species of goby in the state.. LOL

Thanks soo much for your help guys!

-Nate

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 04:28 PM

I'm gonna guess that tubenose gobies have the same rules as rounds in WI. I fear you're just going to have to suck it up and set up a brackish or saltwater tank for gobies, and buy some or travel to the coast and collect your own.

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 06:33 PM

Thanks Nathan, I am kind of figuring that out as I go... Doesn't hurt to ask/try with the DNR. I had brackish gobies years ago and have been contemplating getting a 180 gallon brackish tank back up for datnoids so maybe I will have to just suck it up as you say and just go non native :(

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 12:17 AM

Well, actually, if you were going to keep Round Gobies you would be going non-native anyways...

On a serious note, Matt is correct. It is illegal to catch and keep Round Gobies in Wisconsin. The only instance in which you could possess one would be if you were to catch one, kill it and take it to the nearest DNR office for processing. And really, from what I understand, you shouldn't be seining in waters where you would catch a Round Goby anyways.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:05 AM

There are US-native brackish and saltwater gobies. Even the popular petstore violet gobies (AKA dragonfish) and fat sleepers (AKA jade gobies) are US native, though I think the ones in the trade are from Latin American populations. So you can still do a native goby tank! You just can't collect them in WI.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:17 AM

There are US-native brackish and saltwater gobies. Even the popular petstore violet gobies (AKA dragonfish) and fat sleepers (AKA jade gobies) are US native, though I think the ones in the trade are from Latin American populations. So you can still do a native goby tank! You just can't collect them in WI.



Oh Comeon! If a bull shark lives in lake Michigan, why can't the regular gobies lol.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:50 AM

Back before it was illegal to keep them I tried keeping Round Gobies several times and failed. They did not respond to life in captivity too well. I also collected some for the Aquarium at the Zoo here and they didn't do that well for them either. While I know you really want to go native I would recommend Peacock gudgeons, they are small, very colorful, and sell really well to pet shops and in auctions. I could never raise enough of them. We don't have the tube snout gobies here but I suppose they are not as sucessful here in the US as the Round Gobies are.

My last time catching Round Gobies we had fun feeding them to the feral cats in the park. When they saw one on the end of a hook they would come running and beg for them.

As far as catching and destroying them, I was snorkling along the break wall at Mentor Headlands Park and I saw so many that you could catch thousands and destroy them and not even make an impact.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 02:11 PM

In Ohio, the only good goby is a dead one. Possession of a live one is a no-no.

Hey lotsapetsGrfldhts - I am over in Bedford!

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:35 AM

In Ohio, the only good goby is a dead one. Possession of a live one is a no-no.

Hey lotsapetsGrfldhts - I am over in Bedford!


Hi Neighbor! I am seeing Darters in Tinkers Creek down by the "falls" at the Hemlock Creek Picnic area. I sampled the area several times in the past and never found any. I think the creek is finally recovering.

The gobies do make great Bass amd Walleye bait, I was killing the Small Mouths at Headlands a few years ago with them.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 12:28 PM

Naughty, naughty. You're not even supposed to use them for bait, technically.

Haven't fished the Headlands in a few years....

I live upstream on Hemlock - last year was the first time in twenty years I saw
fish in the creek behind the house.

Ironic - I'll drive 45 miles to seine, and I haven't gone down behind the house yet. . . .. . .

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 08:07 PM

Naughty, naughty. You're not even supposed to use them for bait, technically.

Haven't fished the Headlands in a few years....

I live upstream on Hemlock - last year was the first time in twenty years I saw
fish in the creek behind the house.

Ironic - I'll drive 45 miles to seine, and I haven't gone down behind the house yet. . . .. . .


Yes I know now it is but at the time it wasn't a no no. Well maybe we need to hop in the car and take one of those drives, I've been in all the creeks around here everything is pretty much the same since the fish are all moving from the Cuyahoga back into the creeks. BTW I've driven a lot more than 45 miles to collect fish.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 08:55 PM

Yes I know now it is but at the time it wasn't a no no. Well maybe we need to hop in the car and take one of those drives, I've been in all the creeks around here everything is pretty much the same since the fish are all moving from the Cuyahoga back into the creeks. BTW I've driven a lot more than 45 miles to collect fish.

45 miles? thats nothing hahah...i do 45 miles a day! lol

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:19 PM

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Back before it was illegal to keep them I tried keeping Round Gobies several times and failed. They did not respond to life in captivity too well. I also collected some for the Aquarium at the Zoo here and they didn't do that well for them either. While I know you really want to go native I would recommend Peacock gudgeons, they are small, very colorful, and sell really well to pet shops and in auctions. I could never raise enough of them. We don't have the tube snout gobies here but I suppose they are not as sucessful here in the US as the Round Gobies are.

My last time catching Round Gobies we had fun feeding them to the feral cats in the park. When they saw one on the end of a hook they would come running and beg for them.

As far as catching and destroying them, I was snorkling along the break wall at Mentor Headlands Park and I saw so many that you could catch thousands and destroy them and not even make an impact.



Disagree about them readily adapting to tank life. Once you get them ok with your water its slow part of getting the ok with your tank water. I caught them fishing in lake Michigan, they adapted really well, amazing fish I seem to only have a knack of catching them more than anything nowadays. Even in Michigan where my family is from where perch was plentiful in this spot of a marina it's just gobies now. I'm from Illinois and we fish off lake michigan in Waukegan or Chicago regions that's the sad part not as many fish as before. In the native tank my dad had, the Muskie grow out had a taste for them and he loved to hunt them down when they were adult sized and eat them. So unfortunately when that Muskie came as fingerling from a stock farm, once he grew it was bye bye gobies as he was just always targeting them.
I'm starting to wonder if it's just me that has a knack to catch them as when I was recently visiting family in Michigan I stayed in one spot and caught 15 gobies within 20 minutes before I was able to land a 14" LGB and tons more gobies after that. I see them all of the time in the docks as well. Just look down you will see them too.


I would like to see if DNR is going to do reward program for gobies one catches and turns them in. That would encourage people not to throw them back in the water. I would do it on purpose and fish for them only in a heartbeat if DNR started a program.




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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:12 PM

If you decide to do saltwater NA native gobies let me know, I can collect and sell fish from the northeast Pacific.



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