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#21 sbtgrfan

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:20 AM

That is exactly exactly correct. Yes to the quick acclimation. shipped for 2 days, that's exactly correct about the CO2/Ammonia. It's how we do it here at the Aquarium too if we get fish shipped in. We acclimate to temp by floating the bag for a few minutes, then just throw the fish in. Never a drip acclimation after being shipped. It may stress the fish a little more, but it's far less toxic assuming your tank water is good. I agree with everything above. I'd never drip or slow acclimate unless it was something that I or someone else brought to me over a very short amount of time. 


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#22 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:23 PM

  1. I like your pump/filter/sponge set up and think it will work
  2. I totally agree with you (and of course Stephen) about getting fish in a good clean cycled aquarium as soon as possible.  If I am ever trapped in a bag fill of smoke and CO2 and about to choke and pass out, please do not introduce the clean air slowly... drag me outside immediately). And Elassoma are tough little fish actually... they will fall to the bottom and sulk for a while and then they will hide in the bushes and you will think they are all gone for a few days... and then they will figure out you are the one that brings the shrimp and worms and such and you will see them.

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#23 Cricket

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:03 PM

I'm glad to have a consensus. thank you for your opinions. The fish arrived and I followed the above protocol. Afterwards I covered the tank with a blanket and left for a few hours. At dinner time I turned one light on and fed them some black worms. I'll turn the light off at bedtime in a half an hour. yee Haw![attachment=18891:0922171410-1.jpg][attachment=18892:0922171414b-1-1.jpg][attachment=18893:0922171428_HDR-1.jpg][attachment=18894:0922171927-1.jpg][attachment=18895:0922171928b-1.jpg]

#24 gerald

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:42 AM

Yay! enjoy ...  I usually chop the blackworms into 1/2" pieces on a cutting board for fish smaller than 2", just to play it safe.  I've occasionally had small fish "choke" to death after gorging on too many whole blackworms.  Not usually a problem with Elassoma, since they don't really gorge like cichlids do, but i've gotten in the habit of chopping them anyway. 


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#25 Cricket

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:37 PM

Yay! enjoy ...  I usually chop the blackworms into 1/2" pieces on a cutting board for fish smaller than 2", just to play it safe.  I've occasionally had small fish "choke" to death after gorging on too many whole blackworms.  Not usually a problem with Elassoma, since they don't really gorge like cichlids do, but i've gotten in the habit of chopping them anyway. 

that's good to know. Would they become two that way? I know they can split and break off and regenerate segments. That would be one way to double your population lol. Do you think white worms are too big? I got them in today and they seem so fat comparatively. Much shorter though. The angel fry love both. They are hilarious with a catch :) Gerald, I must thank you. I am so I'm love with these fish ❤

#26 Cricket

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:18 PM

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#27 gerald

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

Yup, fragmenting seems to be the main mode of reproduction for blackworms, at least for the people who grow them commercially.

Each piece can grow into a new worm, unlike earthworms where only the head end can survive and regenerate.

Nice photos! 


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#28 Cricket

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 10:32 AM

Yup, fragmenting seems to be the main mode of reproduction for blackworms, at least for the people who grow them commercially.
Each piece can grow into a new worm, unlike earthworms where only the head end can survive and regenerate.
Nice photos! 

In the first two photos in my last post you can see a white worm by each fish. They are very large comparatively. Too large?
My camera fell and now will only focus if I use a wide angle lens or from a specific distance (I think maybe 5 inches - still working that out) anyway,some photos are better than others. Im so bummed this happened right before I got these fishes. Many times the fish cooperate for me though lol.

#29 gerald

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 09:07 PM

I dont know if they're too large - watch and see how the fish deal with them. 

I also dont know how long whiteworm pieces stay alive underwater if you chop them up.

It seems to me that Elassoma usually prefer smaller foods -- mosquito larvae and fresh-hatched brine shrimp especially.


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#30 Cricket

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 12:45 PM

I dont know if they're too large - watch and see how the fish deal with them. 
I also dont know how long whiteworm pieces stay alive underwater if you chop them up.
It seems to me that Elassoma usually prefer smaller foods -- mosquito larvae and fresh-hatched brine shrimp especially.

oh Gerald it was horrible! I fed some to my angelfish fry. Around 10 weeks and dime to nickel size. 2 of them I think choked like you said. I could see the white worm coming out of two ends. They both kinda floated head pointing up in the water. It was clear something was wrong even though they weren't jerking around or anything. I grabbed my net to catch them and I don't know. I was thinking use my tweezers to either pull it out of the mouth or pinch it off ??? But when I went to net them they jerked away and swam off like they do when another angel is trying to steal from their mouth. I did catch one but by the time I got a look at him the worm was gone. Same for the 2nd. No loss of life thankfully. I scooped out the rest of the worms. Some of My fry are bigger than the sunfish and some are smaller. Both in this case. One was larger and one was smaller. I wasn't worried about gorging because I didn't feed very many worms to 50 or so fry but I will not try these worms again for quite a while. Their parents ate globs of them whole in a single bite. The rainbows, gourami, platys, and cats will get them for now. Unless someone on that list should not? Thank you for the heads up. The babies seem to do fine with the blackworms. They are much thinner. But I basically plant them in my potted plants in the tank so they have to hunt them. They seem to enjoy this :)

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#31 gerald

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 10:11 AM

There's also Grindal worms that are similar to whiteworms, but are smaller and more heat-tolerant.  I've never managed to keep a colony going long-term, but many people do.


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#32 Betta132

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:30 PM

Microworms are very small, but should work well for small fish, and they're extremely easy to keep. You just need a container of charcoal, kept moist, that you add a pinch of fish food to now and then. They almost self-harvest by crawling up the walls to where you can wipe them off with a fingertip and put them in the tank. 



#33 Cricket

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:43 PM

Thank you both. I've heard oatmeal and instant potatoes but charcoal?

#34 Cricket

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 04:35 PM

I call this one Hunk :)[attachment=18941:0925172119e-1-1-1.jpg][attachment=18942:0925172116a-1.jpg]

#35 Cricket

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 09:45 AM

Charlie :)
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#36 Chasmodes

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:32 PM

Pretty fish!  I look forward to more updates and pics.

 

BTW, I can't see the pics from earlier posts.  Anyone else having the same issue?


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#37 Cricket

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:54 PM

Pretty fish!  I look forward to more updates and pics.
 
BTW, I can't see the pics from earlier posts.  Anyone else having the same issue?

Thank you :) I had to delete them as I had apparently used up my limit. Already haha

#38 Chasmodes

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:22 AM

Ah that makes sense.  I'll just have to keep up!   :D/


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#39 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 11:33 AM

Thank you :) I had to delete them as I had apparently used up my limit. Already haha


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#40 Cricket

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:26 AM

Ah that makes sense.  I'll just have to keep up!   :D/

I started another thread for them since it was no longer about water movement. I thought I should anyway maybe it wasn't necessary. Check it out http://forum.nanfa.o...222#entry146222

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I'll keep it in mind ;)



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