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#1 nviole

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 04:30 PM

I caught this small sunfish a couple of weeks ago in a small creek in Lexington, SC. In the past, I have caught Bluegill, Warmouth, and Pumpkinseed in the same creek. I was wondering if this is a juvenile of one of those, or maybe a hybrid?

 



#2 centrarchid

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 06:22 PM

Need picture.


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#3 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 06:24 PM

Provide a photo or we cannot help you. We, most of us scientifically minded, cannot speculate on questions like this. We would be lying to you in essence. It also has to be a good photo. Look through the gallery archive for what is a truly ID quality photo. Not easy to duplicate, and it doesn't need to be as good, but we need much more than a simple description. You should at least own this. https://www.amazon.c...s/dp/0547242069

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#4 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 07:50 PM

Hey guys... nviole knows he needs a picture, but is having some problems with the forum... I asked him to try his post even if the picture did not load for him.. so that I could see his post and try to figure out how to help him.
 
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#5 nviole

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 05:47 AM

Here's the pic sorry for the confusion.

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#6 gerald

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:01 AM

I'd vote pumpkinseed.  BTW, a closed mouth is better for ID purposes.


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#7 centrarchid

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:50 AM

Stunted based on eye diameter / total length ratio.

 

Hybrid with Pumpkinseed or Redear in it.  Not a Pumpkinseed x Redear.  Orange spots on flank indicate Pumpkinseed.  Pattern on opercula suggest a Bluegill also in woodpile as does the long dorsal spines.  Warmouth and Green Sunfish hybrids will have shorter dorsal spines and larger mouth.

 

 

Pumpkinseed x Bluegill or Bluegill x Pumpkinseed.


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#8 Dustin

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 09:45 AM

As much as I hate to say the word hybrid and I don't know that I have ever seen a hybrid around Lexington, I have to agree with Centrarchid.  It appears to be a pumpkinseed X something, either bluegill or warmouth.


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#9 centrarchid

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

As much as I hate to say the word hybrid and I don't know that I have ever seen a hybrid around Lexington, I have to agree with Centrarchid.  It appears to be a pumpkinseed X something, either bluegill or warmouth.

I need to take you out to some streams I piddle around in.  Hybrids are seldom abundant, but they are also not rare.  Greens and Longears really like to mix it up and it may have nothing to do with habitat degradation or difficulty in finding a mate.  Cuckolders are doing the nasty in the wrong nest.  


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#10 Dustin

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

Maybe its because we don't have longears at all and greens are very rare.  Pumpkinseeds aren't exactly common either.


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#11 centrarchid

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

I assume your sunfishes are not regularly forming mixed species colonies.  Coppernose do things differently than Northerns for sure.  In many more northerly locations large colonies can sometimes have four species breeding at same time.


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#12 nviole

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 03:36 PM

Dustin, I do agree that I rarely find hybrid fish in the Three Rivers area, but for whatever reason they seem to be abundant in this location. Mostly Bluegill x Pumpkinseed, but I think I've caught a few hybrids that are part Warmouth

#13 Dustin

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 03:41 PM

What creek do these come from?


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#14 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 04:32 PM

Up here we see greengills quite often. Some are surely escaped from pond stockings, but not all.


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#15 nviole

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 07:17 PM

Just a small un-named un-mapped creek. It's draining one of the retention ponds on highway 1 between I20 and the old mill

#16 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 06:53 AM

A lot of retention ponds have wild swings in water levels. At least in my area. I could see that type of adversity precipitating hybridization. All the fish trying to spawn in a rapidly shrinking habitat.


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#17 Dustin

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 07:13 AM

Just a small un-named un-mapped creek. It's draining one of the retention ponds on highway 1 between I20 and the old mill

Across from the library?  


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#18 nviole

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:09 PM

Across from Dollar General



#19 Savannahhh

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 09:34 PM


It's not a very good picture and I apologize but my little brother had found this little guy stuck in a fishing net today in our lake and he begged to keep it and eventually brought it in and we put it in a ten gallon with a filter and such but he's dying to know what it is. I've looked around and I've been lead to believe it may be a very young bluegill but I was hoping maybe one of you could figure it out even though the picture quality isn't the best.Attached File  received_197055827586619.jpeg   92.91KB   2 downloads

#20 Savannahhh

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 11:01 PM

Here's another picture of said fishAttached File  received_197089817583220.jpeg   37.87KB   3 downloads




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