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Posted 06 February 2008 - 05:26 PM

Yes, this surrounds certified bait. Basically, someone else used my certification for thier minnows.

The case is not going as well as planned because of paperwork problems on my end. I let this guy railroad me with the actual weights, wich held up the reciept from me. I'm the one in trouble, not him.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:24 AM

OK I have a picture side by side. This is the last pic I have of them, as they all died. any wild guesses ? Now do you see what i'm talking about ?

http://bluecrayfish....ics/1ofeach.jpg

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 12:11 PM

Think this is so he can sell them as certified bait. With the VHS laws in NY all bait to be transported acroos the land has to be certified VHS free.


I was confused as to the Mass vs. NY population thing. thanks

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 01:40 PM

Does anyone else just see two emerald shiners?

I'm still not quite sure what your apparent predetermined conclusion is? That they are different species? That they are the same species from seperate populations or states?

If they all died, did you put them in alcohol or a preservative? If there was a question of species difference, i.e. rubellus or ameonus vs. antheroides, that could be answered pretty easily with your dead preserved specimens.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 01:55 PM

I too just see two emerald shiners, one is a little thiner than the other but that hardly is much of an indication of anything other than one has been better fed than the other.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 02:06 PM

Yeah it's not a difference in body depth, the one specimen is just gaunt.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 02:15 PM

Does anyone else just see two emerald shiners?

Yes, I see the same.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 05:41 PM

Sorry guys, one is a emerald shiner and one is a rosey face shiner. I took them to Robert Daniels a taxonomist yesterday. He postitivly confirmed it today. The one on top is a rosey face.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:31 PM

The dorsal fin is a bit sharper...but honestly, that last picture wasn't that great; at least wipe the glass down. Sorry for....?20 posts ago I said take it to a taxanomic expert rather than rely on people from across the country to look at a moderate at best picture of live fish over the internet. I understand how coming here was a logical step when you need an identification, but if you are a bait dealer shouldn't you know what you have and are selling with some certainty?

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:30 PM

The dorsal fin is a bit sharper...but honestly, that last picture wasn't that great; at least wipe the glass down. Sorry for....?20 posts ago I said take it to a taxanomic expert rather than rely on people from across the country to look at a moderate at best picture of live fish over the internet. I understand how coming here was a logical step when you need an identification, but if you are a bait dealer shouldn't you know what you have and are selling with some certainty?


Yes, all my pictures are very poor. Even the last one had glass stains upon the glass.

Yes, posting here indeed get me my answer. Someone here refered me to a taxonomist from Mass.
He in turn referred me to Robert Daniels who is in my state. Thank you and please let me apoligise for any misgivings.

And lastly, Yes I knew exactly what I'm selling as a bait dealer. That's the whole point. When different looking minnows showed up with my certification, then thats when it all started. But now who has more expertice in this field ? The head biologist or Robert Daniels ? I STILL am having a hard time convincing anyone on this.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:43 PM

Oddly enough I was on your website a week or so ago...

I think the misgivings eventually worse away but it really took all these posts to really understand where you were coming from and why. Starting off with 'law enforcement is watching' and trying to provide you with really what was the best help just didn't seem to go very far. The last thing I think anyone wants to see here is someone falsley accused of providing a fish speices because of VHS fears.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:53 PM

Oddly enough I was on your website a week or so ago...


What's his site address?

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:53 PM

I'm not sure here on how ID of the fish has any weight in certification.. Both of those species are abundant throughout the region. Rosyface and Emerald have natural and introduced populations in NY and Mass and both are aquacultured baitfish.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 12:07 AM

I'm not sure here on how ID of the fish has any weight in certification.. Both of those species are abundant throughout the region. Rosyface and Emerald have natural and introduced populations in NY and Mass and both are aquacultured baitfish.

My collection is 100% emerald shiners, what I collected from the bait shop is 100% rosey face. Its not likeley that it could ever happen any other way. Besides, there has been no record of a rosey face collected in Oneida lake.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 12:12 AM

What's his site address?

My website is www.bluecrayfish.com Its strictly a information site and I have a help forum. Nothing for sale nor any ads. I am familiar with taxonomy as I have a expert toxonomist that is a moderator on my forum. In other words, I kinda knew right along that I had something different, wich led me here in the first place.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 01:04 AM

Besides, there has been no record of a rosey face collected in Oneida lake.


I suggest rechecking your sources on that.. Notropis rubellus is known from Lake Oneida.

(The ecology and economics of Oneida Lake Fish. Roosevelt Wildlife Bull., 1 (3 & 4) pp354-355)

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:19 AM

That must be a different book than what we looked t then. Thank you for pointing that out.




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