Scientific Collecting Details Sought for AC
#1
Posted 16 February 2018 - 07:18 AM
It'd be nice to highlight activities and present data that might otherwise go unnoticed by the general NANFA public. Personally, I also hope it would serve as an vehicle for increasing awareness of, and increasing the "validity" of, ways NANFAns can be involved in citizen science. I do assume most contributors would be professionals, but surely I am not the only layman who possesses such credentials.
This idea is in the brainstorming phase, but hopefully we'll have enough interest to do something with it. We have one professional set of data and my amateur set of data so far. PM me if interested.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#2
Posted 16 February 2018 - 08:14 AM
I am up for that with Spotted Bass, Pirate Perch and Flier efforts. Only last likely to fall in the true NANFA interest but might broaden who would look.
#3
Posted 16 February 2018 - 09:11 AM
I am up for that with Spotted Bass, Pirate Perch and Flier efforts. Only last likely to fall in the true NANFA interest but might broaden who would look.
I believe all three species are of interest to our members.
This sounds like a great addition to AC.
The member formerly known as Skipjack
#4
Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:11 AM
Cool idea. NANFA as an organization ought to be a great proponent of and resource for citizen science.
Am I right in thinking that not all states require--or even have--such permits? If so, we should also include a list of which do and what's allowed/prohibited without one.
#5
Posted 16 February 2018 - 11:00 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is AC?
"Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men" -Matthew 4:19
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#6
Posted 16 February 2018 - 11:56 AM
Our fabulous quarterly journal, American Currents. If you are a member, you should be getting it
#7
Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:00 PM
Olaf - As far as I know all states have scientific collecting permits and they are generally used by researchers or consultants on particular projects or studies. Usually very focused. In many states, you can catch fishes with a state fishing license but you might be restricted as to what you can catch. For example, in North Carolina all sunfishes (including the little Enneacanthus) can only be caught with hook and line - no dip netting.
#8
Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:01 PM
"Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men" -Matthew 4:19
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#9
Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:55 PM
I am up for that with Spotted Bass, Pirate Perch and Flier efforts. Only last likely to fall in the true NANFA interest but might broaden who would look.
I, too, think all three of these species would be of interest. I myself find Pirate Perch to be fascinating creatures.
Pm-ed you.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#10
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:03 PM
Olaf and Fritz, didn't mean to keep you out of the loop. It was just a two or three email brain drizzle between me and Kon that I have kinda run with.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#11
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:05 PM
Cool idea. NANFA as an organization ought to be a great proponent of and resource for citizen science.
Am I right in thinking that not all states require--or even have--such permits? If so, we should also include a list of which do and what's allowed/prohibited without one.
Olaf - As far as I know all states have scientific collecting permits and they are generally used by researchers or consultants on particular projects or studies. Usually very focused. In many states, you can catch fishes with a state fishing license but you might be restricted as to what you can catch. For example, in North Carolina all sunfishes (including the little Enneacanthus) can only be caught with hook and line - no dip netting.
Good points, gentlemen. I know other states may not be as generous in handing out permits as SC is, but if one is articulate and focused enough I see no reason more people couldn't hold them.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#12
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:46 PM
I applied for a federal NPS permit to collect on a national wildlife preserve in my area, but my application is currently pending approval from the park research coordinator.
Kansas defines baitfish as: Minnow or carp family (Cyprinidae), sucker family (Catostomidae), top minnows or killifish family (Cyprinodontidae), shad family (Clupeidae), sunfish family (Centrarchidae), excluding black basses and crappie, all of which can be collected via the following methods: seine not larger than 15 feet long and four feet deep, with mesh not larger than 1/4 inch; fish trap with mesh not larger than 1/4 inch and throat no larger than 1 inch in diameter (must be tagged with fisherman's name and address); fishing line; or a dip or cast net with mesh no larger than 1/2 inch.
"Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men" -Matthew 4:19
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#13
Posted 16 February 2018 - 08:54 PM
#14
Posted 16 February 2018 - 08:59 PM
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#15
Posted 16 February 2018 - 09:01 PM
Excellent! Will touch base with ya soon. Still trying to figure out how many folks are interested and how to present it.Matt, I would be willing to participate. I think it is important that we tell this story. Citizen science can be an important part of what NANFA can be, how we can serve and educate.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#16
Posted 16 February 2018 - 11:53 PM
I applied once for permission to collect at Ninety Six National Historic Site here in my hometown. Did the IRIS stuff and whatever. Not sure if I never finished the application or whether I was never issued it. I imagine my pride would remember if I'd been shot down, so I'm guessing the fault was mine. PErhaps I should try again, as my focus would be different. Interesting the distinction KS makes among the sunfish family members. Bluegill and so on usually have a little more specific restrictions regarding how one may take them and how many, etc...
Yeah, and oddly enough Bluegill and Green Sunfish have more lenient restrictions in regards to where the can be transported and used. Most WC baitfish can only be used in the watershed in which they were taken. Not the case with Bluegills and Greenies:
Wild-caught baitfish may be used as live bait only within the common drainage where caught and shall not be transported upstream across any dam or barrier that prohibits the normal passage of fish. Bluegill and green sunfish collected from non-designated aquatic nuisance waters may be possessed or used as live bait anywhere in the state. No person may possess any live fish upon departure from any designated aquatic nuisance species water
The regulation at the end prohibiting the taking of any live fish from a designated ANS bodies is a particular bummer. There are a few bodies that I'd like to try to catch some Longear and/or Orange Sunfish from, but can't. This restriction is understandable though, Zebra Mussels are awful little critters.
"Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men" -Matthew 4:19
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#17
Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:36 PM
Way cool - if I had a scientific collecting permit and did it, I'd definitely be volunteering!
Matt, I would be willing to participate. I think it is important that we tell this story. Citizen science can be an important part of what NANFA can be, how we can serve and educate.
Selfishly, I'd like to see something along the lines of *how* to do citizen science well in our hobby/obsession.
What kinds of data would science find most useful? What -- besides the obvious stuff like good photos, locale details, etc - would make our observations more valuable for science?
#18
Posted 20 February 2018 - 05:32 AM
Good questions. I know that from my amateur point of view "that" I do something is valuable, but don't often consider "what best" I could do, or how I could "best do" what it is I am doing.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
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