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Looking For Odd Bluegill Coloration

Started by Guest_centrarchid_* , Sep 04 2007 11:28 AM

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#1 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 11:28 AM

Anyone see bluegill with odd coloration (albanistic, xanthic, melanistic, red, blue or funky color pattern)? Hybrids not of interest.

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#2 Guest_natureman187_*

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 12:18 PM

I've got mostly hybrid pics on my pc but here's the two bluegill I've got. I like to compare ear sizes.

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#3 Guest_rugburn_*

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 10:40 AM

not exactly bluegill but the only mutant sunfish I've heard of are leucistic green sunfish.

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#4 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 11:10 AM

not exactly bluegill but the only mutant sunfish I've heard of are leucistic green sunfish.

Are such animals regularly found anywhere?

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#5 Guest_rugburn_*

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 02:37 PM

Are such animals regularly found anywhere?

I would say that unless living in captive conditions none of them found that regularly

there is a fellow on aquatic terrors that had a couple of the leucistic greens:
http://aquatic-terro...h...cistic&st=0

here is a link from a fishing forum about albino (or hypomelanistic) bluegills, but be wary of fishermens tales, or you could take a roadtrip in search of the great Alaskan bearded sunfish :
http://www.fishingmi...w...part=1&vc=1

"gold" redbreast in the nanfa members photos:
http://gallery.nanfa...pomis/Lauritus/

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#6 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 09:00 AM

I photographed those "gold" redbreast at the TN aquarium. They were definitely odd looking fish. Basically a rosey red form of redbreast.

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#7 Guest_butch_*

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 03:20 PM

Ok not bluegill but I do found blue roan pumpkinseed and kept two of them in past years but were give away. The roan pumpkinseed look a faded pumpkinseed with lots of grey/blueish scales across the body and bottom are more light grey to white and it still has faded orange-yellowish belly unlike other normal pumpkinseeds that has bright colors, even the females. I can easy see the blue roan pumpkinseed in murky water on cloudy days. They are still common in Sebie lake near brainerd, Minnesota. Its not hybrid. I once spot white roan bluegill in South Long lake of Minnesota but it ignored the offers of worms probably because its don't want attract of dogfish and big bass that live in same waters. The blue roan in both bluegill and pumpkinseeds are getting more common lately probably some smart roan sunfish know how to hide from predators and spread its genetic to its offsprings. What's interesting is the blue roan sunnies I spotted are almost always at mouth of creek or river. Sorry for I called them blue roan because its not really white but blue and white blending each other.

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#8 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 05:13 PM

Ok not bluegill but I do found blue roan pumpkinseed and kept two of them in past years but were give away. The roan pumpkinseed look a faded pumpkinseed with lots of grey/blueish scales across the body and bottom are more light grey to white and it still has faded orange-yellowish belly unlike other normal pumpkinseeds that has bright colors, even the females. I can easy see the blue roan pumpkinseed in murky water on cloudy days. They are still common in Sebie lake near brainerd, Minnesota. Its not hybrid. I once spot white roan bluegill in South Long lake of Minnesota but it ignored the offers of worms probably because its don't want attract of dogfish and big bass that live in same waters. The blue roan in both bluegill and pumpkinseeds are getting more common lately probably some smart roan sunfish know how to hide from predators and spread its genetic to its offsprings. What's interesting is the blue roan sunnies I spotted are almost always at mouth of creek or river. Sorry for I called them blue roan because its not really white but blue and white blending each other.

We may have blue roan bluegill already. Appears to be a recessive trait as broods exhibiting it have about 1 in 4 individuals appearing bluish, especially around base of dorsal and caudel fins. I do not think it is a pigment difference but rather something related to abnormal scales. Putative heterozygous individuals have whorling scale patterns on flanks. Rearing a brood of about 400 two-inch bluegill the "blue roans" appear smaller than average.

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#9 Guest_butch_*

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 05:38 PM

Yeah most of blue roan sunnies (both bluegill and pumpkinseed) are much smaller than normal colored sunnies. I don't think I see any blue roan sunnies bigger than 5 inch long and that's it. I once saw pinky green sunfish photo on fishes of minnesota book. What's biggest roan sunfish you saw?

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#10 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 07:54 AM

Yeah most of blue roan sunnies (both bluegill and pumpkinseed) are much smaller than normal colored sunnies. I don't think I see any blue roan sunnies bigger than 5 inch long and that's it. I once saw pinky green sunfish photo on fishes of minnesota book. What's biggest roan sunfish you saw?

We are keeping our bluegill indoors until 4 to 6 inches long. Lighting is important in seeing our "blue roan" morph which becomes hard to see by the time they are about four inches long. Upon stocking in ponds they are no longer apparent as "blue roans" but can be identified by the odd scaling pattern even as approaching 9 inches. I will tag some while still distingishable and mate blue roan to blue roan this winter to see what results.

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#11 Guest_fishlvr_*

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 08:02 AM

May I ask what a blue roan is?

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#12 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 08:16 AM

May I ask what a blue roan is?

For best example run an google image search on blue roan horse. Blue roans and red roans are a sort of salt and pepper mixture of white hairs on a background of black or red. Gives the appearance from a distance of bluish-gray or pinkish-red. Also can be seen on bluetick and redtick coonhounds if you know hunting dogs. The "blue roans" in the bluegill appear to have their apparent color caused by some other mechanism. I think it is scale structure rather than pigment.

horse: http://www.brokenwqu...ty/saltyhip.jpg

http://www.i-love-do...k-Coonhound.jpg

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#13 Guest_Zephead4747_*

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 02:04 PM

I've seen some of these roan gills...but they were fairly large like every other gill in the lake. They aren't that rare here up north at least.

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#14 Guest_bullhead_*

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 11:16 AM

Does anyone have photos? These roan pumpkinseeds sound like the fish that I used to catch up north, near Hayward, WI. They were p-seed like, but there was no brown/olive to them, they were very blue. I never caught one larger than 5".

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#15 Guest_EdoTensei_*

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:58 PM

Thought this may be a very old tread and these fish do come to the very rarest of rare I do have a family of greens in my hidden pond that carries Leucistic mutations. 5 years in the making when I first found about this place I was observing the greens very carefully. I notice that there are rare character patterns in them when I hook a green with a rare pattern of half full black body like its already been grilled. Down 5 years after until today I found that the mutation leads to leucistic. I first that of albinoism but it doesn't have the true red eye but a pure white eye. No it is not a dead fish. It is very much alive. However, this one seems incomplete leading me to think that it may not be leucistic but be something more related to transposable elements.
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#16 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:42 AM

Interesting. That is one ugly green sunfish, and it does look like death.

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#17 Guest_steve_*

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 02:10 PM

Interesting, I've caught LMB and crappie in a pond that looked a lot like that. I blamed it on the water always being muddy in that particular pond, but the water where you're at looks quite clear. There may be more to it than I thought.