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Pure Redfin or hybrid?


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Posted 16 April 2008 - 09:35 PM

I netted this guy last weekend in a pond I've never been to before. Not even a pond really but a very small impoundment on a small coldwater brook.
The habitat is more redfin-ish to my eye but chains are ubiquitous and find their way into most freshwater in this area.
The body markings definately say redfin to me.
The head shape is longer and snout more convex and tear drop more vertical than most pure redfin.
Not even a tinge of red in the fins.
Fish is about six inches, adult size for redfins in this area, but the fish sorta looks like a juvie to me.
Normally I can always tell them apart. On the water, in a net full of leaves, all I saw was the vertical bars. It wasn't until I got it home and looked closer did I start wondering.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 09:49 PM

Looks a lot like the redfins I get. Here is the second of them, can't find the first. http://forum.nanfa.o...?showtopic=2928

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 09:50 PM

wow. That is one beautiful Pickerel!

That is really interesting, and looks to be a hybrid. I've seen redfins before w/o red fins, but the coloration on that one is the intriguing aspect to me.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 10:08 PM

I would call that a chain. Snout is longer than a redfin, and still seems too long for a hybrid. The chain pattern develops later in life. I vote pure chain.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 10:36 PM

Maybe just a chain.
Now I'm gonna have to get more specimens to compare. This weekend I'll be in Maine on my Dad's pond where I know the picks are all chains. I'll grab up a couple in the same size range and shoot some pics.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 05:57 PM

My vote is that this fish is a redfin/chain hybrid, because A) It is pretty itermediate between the two and B) Irate may come and spice it up here :mrgreen: :twisted:

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:47 PM

I netted this guy last weekend in a pond I've never been to before. Not even a pond really but a very small impoundment on a small coldwater brook.
The habitat is more redfin-ish to my eye but chains are ubiquitous and find their way into most freshwater in this area.
The body markings definately say redfin to me.
The head shape is longer and snout more convex and tear drop more vertical than most pure redfin.
Not even a tinge of red in the fins.
Fish is about six inches, adult size for redfins in this area, but the fish sorta looks like a juvie to me.
Normally I can always tell them apart. On the water, in a net full of leaves, all I saw was the vertical bars. It wasn't until I got it home and looked closer did I start wondering.
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very pretty fish

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:17 PM

I don't know, something is funny looking about that fish I think you may be onto something.

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:50 PM

I don't know, something is funny looking about that fish I think you may be onto something.


looks like the face of a chain and the pattern of a redfin to me

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:58 PM

my thought exactly

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 03:06 PM

my thought exactly


Mike, you havn't been playing with the super glue or photoshop have you? We can call it a redchain or chainfin....I would be really interested to see how big it gets. Now if one could find one that had the colors and patterns of a chain and the small size of the redfin, that would be cool. I'm a sucker for those yellow racing stripes on the chains, but they just get a bit too big for me.

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 06:07 PM

No tricks, that's how it looked.
I've got kind of a mini project in mind for this season. I want to get pics of as many different esox for comparison.
If Karsten Hartel says hybrids are "common" in Ma, I'm ready to believe it's so. I'd like to document as many variations as possible.
I'm still kicking myself for not having the camera last season when I landed a 20 inch northern X chain cross. A very cool looking fish. Anyone who saw it would agree it was a cross.

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 08:18 PM

Has anyone ever seen a E. americanus crossed with anything other than a chain?

Just wondered as a local area has both Northern Pike and Grass Pickerels in the same water.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:24 PM

Has anyone ever seen a E. americanus crossed with anything other than a chain?

Just wondered as a local area has both Northern Pike and Grass Pickerels in the same water.


I would think thats a totally possible situation, however I doubt you'll hear any fish stories about a pickerelxnorthern because they'll just be tossed back in the water without any real lookover because they probably won't get outside of "snake northern" size.

edit: we call small northerns "snakes" around here for those who didn't catch the last comment.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 07:58 AM

I would think thats a totally possible situation, however I doubt you'll hear any fish stories about a pickerelxnorthern because they'll just be tossed back in the water without any real lookover because they probably won't get outside of "snake northern" size.

edit: we call small northerns "snakes" around here for those who didn't catch the last comment.


I agree. only difference we call 'em hammer handles.
I'm sure the same is true about hybrid pickeral. We call those generic little esox slime darts.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 02:49 PM

Could be the camera, but that coloration looks like the coloration baby musky often have. I have not seen enough of them close up to remember the finnage and how the mouth looked, but that coloration...



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