green sunfish?

Can you walk out to nest with siphon or turkey bastor without getting gator bit? Could detect embryos/prolarvae.
They will not form pairs like many substrate spawning cichlids, rather will be single fathers with kids from multiple mates.

Actually I can the water is great its crystal clear sandy bottom like the beach but lots rocks but super clean . I was in knee deep today catching suns.
I just posted those pics as my pic taking ability is terrible but those came out clear.
I was looking for flagfish in cattail area of lake different area than where the suns are spawning but didnt catch/see any saw LOTS cichlids brichardis and minnows not sure of type but I couldnt net any they "sense" your coming their way they flee.
Took pics but not worth posting as not the best.
I will get turkey bastor next time should be this coming Sat and pour in bucket take clear pics. There are no gators there lol just iguanas and if so I could see them from distance .

Actually I can the water is great its crystal clear sandy bottom like the beach but lots rocks but super clean . I was in knee deep today catching suns.
I just posted those pics as my pic taking ability is terrible but those came out clear.
I was looking for flagfish in cattail area of lake different area than where the suns are spawning but didnt catch/see any saw LOTS cichlids brichardis and minnows not sure of type but I couldnt net any they "sense" your coming their way they flee.
Took pics but not worth posting as not the best.
I will get turkey bastor next time should be this coming Sat and pour in bucket take clear pics. There are no gators there lol just iguanas and if so I could see them from distance .

What kind of cichlid do you say? Could your provide a picture?

Nice sunnies! That juvenile is particularly nice. The tadpoles are toads (can't tell which species without closeup), not treefrogs.

Nice sunnies! That juvenile is particularly nice. The tadpoles are toads (can't tell which species without closeup), not treefrogs.

lol oh no than they are Bufo Marinus . I saw eggs in one of my ponds and was so happy thinking green treefrogs or cuban treefrogs which I like to. The black tadpoles are all over the creeks,etc and same egg mass as is my smaller pond thus its Bufo Marinus
I will let them grow out but to bad as would have loved more treefrogs

What do the egg masses look like? Toads (both marine toads and native southern toads) lay eggs in long strings, which usually sink to bottom; treefrog eggs form floating film.

What kind of cichlid do you say? Could your provide a picture?

I believe he is referring to Neolamprologus brichardi. An African cichlid from lake Tanganyika.
I wasn't aware they lived in Florida.

What do the egg masses look like? Toads (both marine toads and native southern toads) lay eggs in long strings, which usually sink to bottom; treefrog eggs form floating film.

yes these eggs are just that long strings many clusters of them to bad as wanted green treefrogs . Bufos we have by the millions .
As of last night some of hatched already tiny tiny black tadpoles same as pics I posted oh well more Bufo Marinus lol.
Thanks for the help

lol oh no than they are Bufo Marinus . I saw eggs in one of my ponds and was so happy thinking green treefrogs or cuban treefrogs which I like to.

Trust me, don't be wishing for more cuban treefrogs as they are already doing a ton of damage in the florida area. They are wiping out tons of native treefrogs and it is very bad that they were introduced. They are everywhere down there! As well as cuban brown anoles. I hate invasives!!!!!

Trust me, don't be wishing for more cuban treefrogs as they are already doing a ton of damage in the florida area. They are wiping out tons of native treefrogs and it is very bad that they were introduced. They are everywhere down there! As well as cuban brown anoles. I hate invasives!!!!!

I read a theory on that which makes sense, The Cuban treefrogs can live and thrive where Native greens can not. You can find Cuban treefrogs even in the most built up areas of Miami . I mean concrete and buildings . You can also find brown anoles there.

The big boom in construction in Florida esp Miami in last 20 yrs was the kiss of death for green anoles and green treefrogs they need green trees,wild area not shopping centers ,condos,golf courses every few blocks and 50% of private houses with cemented over back yards.

The green natives were on borrowed time in these areas the non natives simply filled in the vacant spot but they did not push them out.

There are still green anoles and green trees in my area as lots nature woods,farm,etc but go 45 minutes from here more towards city of Miami and the brown anoles and Cuban treeefrogs are the only types you see .

This is not case for all non natives replacing natives but perhaps it was in this case it was simply the lack of wild areas and better cuban trees and brown anoles in built up Miami than nothing.

I think Florida wildlife dept prefers to blame those 2 for the dieing out green and anoles rather than say "yes the state needed 2000 golf courses and 50,000 vacant condos and countless vacant mini malls(I have nothing against Golf lol) . Never mind we are paving over nature at an unreal rate lets just blame the non natives.

the Cuban trees in my area are slow moving trees when I go in yard at night they jump out of ponds on the wall or dive deeper but so slow I can catch them but the Greens are fast . I cant fathom the Cuban trees taking a toll on the greens but I can fathom bulldozers taking a toll on them

P.S I am not a Cuban tree frog lobbyiest lol

Edited by Sal, 05 May 2008 - 07:29 PM.

Like most invasive species that are explosively successful, the Cuban tree frogs are in new areas without predators evolved to prey on them, and probably without specialized diseases and parasites that would limit all aspects of their life history. This gives them an advantage over the native greens, who now face a strong new niche competitor as well as the stresses of expanding human development. We all know how this plays.

The Cubans are a double threat to the Greens- they are both competitors and predators. But you're absolutely right that development is at least as much of a problem. South Florida is just a sad sad place; its natural beauty is what attracts all the people who come and destroy said beauty.

But don't worry too much about the green treefrogs- they're expanding their range in the north. Anyone who lives near Philadelphia, Cincinatti, or St. Louis should keep an eye out for them.

Edited by Newt, 06 May 2008 - 07:22 AM.

The Cubans are a double threat to the Greens- they are both competitors and predators. But you're absolutely right that development is at least as much of a problem. South Florida is just a sad sad place; its natural beauty is what attracts all the people who come and destroy said beauty.

But don't worry too much about the green treefrogs- they're expanding their range in the north. Anyone who lives near Philadelphia, Cincinatti, or St. Louis should keep an eye out for them.

S.Florida is a different country a different world compared to .N.Florida .
I have friends in N.Florida wild areas there are protected looked after much more by the politicians down here Miami's political bunch have no concept of what protecting wild areas/wild life is nor could care less.

Its same political party so not putting down any party but very different politicians. ALL the wild areas here are on borrowed time .
Still plenty left but less and less every year . I live by Doral lakes so lucky lots lakes all over as of yet they havent built shopping mini malls on the lake water itself lol

"You know your in Florida when someone ignores a harmless and protected Indigo snake crossing his driveway and you know your in Miami when someone runs in their garage grabs a shovel and chops same snake into pieces "

Like most invasive species that are explosively successful, the Cuban tree frogs are in new areas without predators evolved to prey on them, and probably without specialized diseases and parasites that would limit all aspects of their life history. This gives them an advantage over the native greens, who now face a strong new niche competitor as well as the stresses of expanding human development. We all know how this plays.

"the Cuban tree frogs are in new areas without predators evolved to prey on them, and probably without specialized diseases and parasites that would limit all aspects of their life history"

I never thought of that