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Actually my Peterson's field guide does refer to Ictaluridae as the "Bullhead Catfishes", but generally I agree, to me a bullhead is an Ameiurus sp.

Yup, technically the family name is indeed the bullhead catfishes but chances are if someone is referring to a fish as a bullhead it is in the Ameiurus genus. I realize I'm just saying what you already said, just backing it up is all. I have never heard nor probably ever will hear someone refer to a madtom or channel catfish as a "bullhead" unless they've identified it wrong.
Blacks and browns can reach about two feet but I suspect a more realistic captive size would be between 12-18". The 10g should work fine as a quarantine tank and I don't see why it wouldn't work with the crappie or largemouth which makes me wonder...are the two in the same tank? If not try it with one first and than the other.

Yup, technically the family name is indeed the bullhead catfishes but chances are if someone is referring to a fish as a bullhead it is in the Ameiurus genus. I realize I'm just saying what you already said, just backing it up is all. I have never heard nor probably ever will hear someone refer to a madtom or channel catfish as a "bullhead" unless they've identified it wrong.
Blacks and browns can reach about two feet but I suspect a more realistic captive size would be between 12-18". The 10g should work fine as a quarantine tank and I don't see why it wouldn't work with the crappie or largemouth which makes me wonder...are the two in the same tank? If not try it with one first and than the other.

Technically it doesn't have a common name, technical names are scientific. They follow the rules of binomial nomenclature.

Edited by pylodictis, 23 April 2011 - 11:58 AM.

That is not the "bullhead" family,however it does contain bullheads. There is no "bullhead" family(at least in the taxonomic sense of the word). "Bullhead" is a colloquial term referring to fishes in the Genus Ameiurus , ictaluridae also contains genera such as Pylodictis and Ictlarus which shouldn't be confused with Ameiurus.

im am sorry you do not agree, but there is a lot of folks out there that have there name in print that will dissagree with you.
and i do not remember seing your name pylodictis on any of those books as credit or author.

im am sorry you do not agree, but there is a lot of folks out there that have there name in print that will dissagree with you.
and i do not remember seing your name pylodictis on any of those books as credit or author.

Because a book says something doesn't make it true, medical textbooks said bleeding people was a good idea for hundreds of years. A common name is supposed to be common and I've been a catfisherman for 10 years and I've never heard anyone refer to that family as the "bullheads". If you look it up in the Dictionary it says that "bullhead" refers to fish in the Genus Ictalurus which nobody here agrees with. Common names are colloquial, slang, they're not defined so arguing about it is meaning less and arbitrary.

Because a book says something doesn't make it true, medical textbooks said bleeding people was a good idea for hundreds of years. A common name is supposed to be common and I've been a catfisherman for 10 years and I've never heard anyone refer to that family as the "bullheads". If you look it up in the Dictionary it says that "bullhead" refers to fish in the Genus Ictalurus which nobody here agrees with. Common names are colloquial, slang, they're not defined so arguing about it is meaning less and arbitrary.

i see no need for arguing either.
but the facts are the facts for a reason period.
if scientific data states this is what a bullhead family is and the books we all use to id these fish are in this group then it is so.

is your fathers name Philip Kukulski by chance.

Edited by CATfishTONY, 23 April 2011 - 01:48 PM.

i see no need for arguing either.
but the facts are the facts for a reason period.
if scientific data states this is what a bullhead family is and the books we all use to id these fish are in this group then it is so.

is your fathers name Philip Kukulski by chance.

Bad form Tony

Actually, there is a list of recognized common names from the American Fisheries Society. But such names are all over the place, hence the use of Linnean binomials for clarity.

That is not the "bullhead" family,however it does contain bullheads. There is no "bullhead" family(at least in the taxonomic sense of the word). "Bullhead" is a colloquial term referring to fishes in the Genus Ameiurus , ictaluridae also contains genera such as Pylodictis and Ictlarus which shouldn't be confused with Ameiurus.

im am sorry you do not agree, but there is a lot of folks out there that have there name in print that will dissagree with you.
and i do not remember seing your name pylodictis on any of those books as credit or author.

Because a book says something doesn't make it true, medical textbooks said bleeding people was a good idea for hundreds of years. A common name is supposed to be common and I've been a catfisherman for 10 years and I've never heard anyone refer to that family as the "bullheads". If you look it up in the Dictionary it says that "bullhead" refers to fish in the Genus Ictalurus which nobody here agrees with. Common names are colloquial, slang, they're not defined so arguing about it is meaning less and arbitrary.

i see no need for arguing either.
but the facts are the facts for a reason period.
if scientific data states this is what a bullhead family is and the books we all use to id these fish are in this group then it is so.

is your fathers name Philip Kukulski by chance.

Bad form Tony

keepnatives, I see your point. and i was in the wrong for asking if Philip K. was his father. i only asked because of many online and pm debates in the past with Philip. and this thread drifted that way.
if you go back and reread the thread for what it is. i think the ? was covered, then the thread driffted.
and i was partly due to this.
i should have just kept it at bullhead, Ameiurus.
but i would hate to think all of these books i have are wrong!

Edited by CATfishTONY, 23 April 2011 - 07:02 PM.

i see no need for arguing either.
but the facts are the facts for a reason period.
if scientific data states this is what a bullhead family is and the books we all use to id these fish are in this group then it is so.

is your fathers name Philip Kukulski by chance.

Yes, the facts are the facts, otherwise this statement is completely false. I assume you're using the word "if" as a operative word to make the sentence into a polite euphemism for "There is scientific data that states that the Family Ictaluridae is commonly referred to as the bullhead family."

When speaking standard English(as opposed to a specific nomenclature) I am quite the Dictionarian, however in a colloquial nomenclature this is not true, nor is it true in standard English. The purpose of a definitive system is to avoid confusion, thus dictionaries should attempt to match their spellings, definition, etc to how the word is spoken in standard English. This is not usually done, however there is a good reason; with our current rate of cultural degradation it would appear boorish for the dictionaries to list certain colloquial terms and definitions. This is not the case in our specific nomenclature, therefore they should attempt to match the standard use. The standard use of "bullhead" is to refer to the fish in the Ameiurus genus, ergo the word refers to fishes in said family.

Wiki sites are good for updating language, and it just so happens that Wikipedia agrees with me.


PS:

Ah, I the last minute edit. The books are wrong because biological texts are bad at showing how non-biologists speak because they are written by biologists. Read any book on catfishing and it'll agree with me, and those after all are the people using the colloquial terms usually.

Edited by pylodictis, 23 April 2011 - 07:14 PM.

Yes, the facts are the facts, otherwise this statement is completely false. I assume you're using the word "if" as a operative word to make the sentence into a polite euphemism for "There is scientific data that states that the Family Ictaluridae is commonly referred to as the bullhead family."

When speaking standard English(as opposed to a specific nomenclature) I am quite the Dictionarian, however in a colloquial nomenclature this is not true, nor is it true in standard English. The purpose of a definitive system is to avoid confusion, thus dictionaries should attempt to match their spellings, definition, etc to how the word is spoken in standard English. This is not usually done, however there is a good reason; with our current rate of cultural degradation it would appear boorish for the dictionaries to list certain colloquial terms and definitions. This is not the case in our specific nomenclature, therefore they should attempt to match the standard use. The standard use of "bullhead" is to refer to the fish in the Ameiurus genus, ergo the word refers to fishes in said family.

Wiki sites are good for updating language, and it just so happens that Wikipedia agrees with me.


PS:

Ah, I the last minute edit. The books are wrong because biological texts are bad at showing how non-biologists speak because they are written by biologists. Read any book on catfishing and it'll agree with me, and those after all are the people using the colloquial terms usually.

pylodictis, I yield to save this thread from its final outcome.
please start a new thread. call it what you will.


tony.

Technically it doesn't have a common name, technical names are scientific. They follow the rules of binomial nomenclature.

Oh well excuse me...I apologize for my glaring ignorance. Good for you on correcting my incorrect use of the word technical but so you know, I am aware of what a common name is. Now I'm no expert like yourself but I probably have enough education to know that we should probably stay on topic and give the OP the advice he seeks.

Edited by sandtiger, 24 April 2011 - 03:59 PM.

Oh well excuse me...I apologize for my glaring ignorance. Good for you on correcting my incorrect use of the word technical but so you know, I am aware of what a common name is. Now I'm no expert like yourself but I probably have enough education to know that we should probably stay on topic and give the OP the advice he seeks.

You jump right to insults and ignore the point at hand. I think I can extrapolate from that.