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Started by Guest_Markart_* , Apr 21 2011 03:50 AM

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#1 Guest_Markart_*

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:50 AM

Hello all

Hard to find books in the UK on NA fish. Does anyone know of any good general ID/Habitat/Care guides I can download?

Thanks in advance.

#2 Guest_mywan_*

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 05:22 AM

Online resources like this tend to be limited to particular region and ID/Habitat tend to be a separate subject from care guides. Most of what is known about care also tends to come from individual hobbyist sharing their experiences, so a single resource for care information is generally not available. Attempting the care of certain species is often a best guess based on understanding the fishes natural habitat with information, if available, thrown in from other hobbyist shared experiences.

For the ID/Habitat of fish in my watershed this is a good source:
(90.6 MB PDF File): https://docs.google....hZDI3NzUx&hl=en

For ID/Habitats of NA fish in general ordering a good book is the only way to go. For care guides you are pretty much limited to searching out information from other hobbyist experiences on a per species basis. That is what makes communities like this with people more knowledgeable and experienced than myself so valuable.

#3 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:29 PM

Hello all

Hard to find books in the UK on NA fish. Does anyone know of any good general ID/Habitat/Care guides I can download?

Thanks in advance.

Amazon.com works in teh UK doesnt it...???

Start with the new Peterson's Field Guide... several of the "Fishes of" are also on Amazon

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#4 Guest_wargreen_*

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 04:12 PM

Hello all

Hard to find books in the UK on NA fish. Does anyone know of any good general ID/Habitat/Care guides I can download?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome once again Markart, one book that I really enjoy is Robert J. Goldsteins, "American Aquarium Fishes", Texas A&M University press; I purchased the book from Jonahs Aquarium.....but Im sure Amazon or Barnes and Noble will have the book for sale online, another good book is David M Schleser's, "North American Native fishes for the home aquarium" which is also being sold on Jonah's Aquarium here's the link http://www.jonahsaqu...hSite/books.htm . Joe.

#5 Guest_Markart_*

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 04:19 PM

Thanks all, some good places to start there. I was browsing the forum yesterday and found a thread which gave a link to a basic ID doc, although it wasn't an ID guide it kind of served this purpose.

Michael, the Peterson guides look good, thanks. If someone new to NA species enters 'North american fish' or similar at Amazon then they are presented with a somewhat disparate choice. It's much easier when given a clue. And I'm not in the least offended by your testy reply, to prove it I shall place a smile after this full stop. :smile2:

#6 Guest_CATfishTONY_*

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 07:29 PM

Thanks all,
. And I'm not in the least offended by your testy reply, to prove it I shall place a smile after this full stop.

GOOD FOR YOU. one would think our regional rep and a board mod, would not comment like that.
pdf files you asked for are few and hard to find.

http://www.nanfa.org/books.shtml

http://www.freshwate...-north-america/
http://www.enature.c...sp?curGroupID=3
http://www.epa.gov/b...ml/fish_id.html

Edited by CATfishTONY, 22 April 2011 - 07:59 PM.

#7 Michael Wolfe

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North Georgia, Oconee River Drainage

Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:10 PM

obviously, I offended people... it was not intended... was only thinking about what a great reference the new Peterson's is for the money... apologies all around.

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#8 Guest_Markart_*

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 06:51 AM

GOOD FOR YOU. one would think our regional rep and a board mod, would not comment like that.
pdf files you asked for are few and hard to find.

http://www.nanfa.org/books.shtml

http://www.freshwate...-north-america/
http://www.enature.c...sp?curGroupID=3
http://www.epa.gov/b...ml/fish_id.html

Many thanks for the links, much appreciated.

Michael and I have exchanged PM's and there is no problem.

Thanks again to everybody.

#9 Guest_CATfishTONY_*

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 07:34 AM

Many thanks for the links, much appreciated.

Thanks again to everybody.

Mark, i am glad all is well.
maybe you would like to join NANFA. http://www.nanfa.org/join.shtml
as far as i know we do not have a UK regional rep,
Is the fishing good in the river just north of clifton park?
the river looks like it has a good riffle run pattern to it there.

Edited by CATfishTONY, 26 April 2011 - 07:55 AM.

#10 Guest_Markart_*

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 12:09 AM

Mark, i am glad all is well.
maybe you would like to join NANFA. http://www.nanfa.org/join.shtml
as far as i know we do not have a UK regional rep,
Is the fishing good in the river just north of clifton park?
the river looks like it has a good riffle run pattern to it there.

Tony, yes I am considering joining, as with everything it's a question of priorities. At the moment I'm content to browse and learn, I really am new to NA species which is why I am glad I took delivery yesterday of one the Peterson field guides-'Peterson field guide to fishes of NA north of Mexico.' Is that the one all you guys have? Thanks to Micheal for the nod on this, never heard of this book but for £8.84 looks to be one of those books one can dip into forever (even if technically I'm not in the field!).

Re: Clifton Park, not familiar with that park, it's to the west of Manchester, I'm over on the east side. There are plenty of riffles in the river local to me. Last year I was collecting rocks in a shallow run and there were c100 Minnows (Phoxinus phoxinus) spawning around my legs-brilliant experience.

Edited by Markart, 05 May 2011 - 12:17 AM.

#11 Guest_CATfishTONY_*

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 04:54 AM

Tony, yes I am considering joining, as with everything it's a question of priorities. At the moment I'm content to browse and learn, I really am new to NA species which is why I am glad I took delivery yesterday of one the Peterson field guides-'Peterson field guide to fishes of NA north of Mexico.' Is that the one all you guys have? Thanks to Micheal for the nod on this, never heard of this book but for £8.84 looks to be one of those books one can dip into forever (even if technically I'm not in the field!).

Re: Clifton Park, not familiar with that park, it's to the west of Manchester, I'm over on the east side. There are plenty of riffles in the river local to me. Last year I was collecting rocks in a shallow run and there were c100 Minnows (Phoxinus phoxinus) spawning around my legs-brilliant experience.

Peterson field guide is the best book i have for sure. it fits my needs just fine i just wich it was water proof.

#12 Guest_Mike_*

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 12:12 AM

I am glad you found a good book, my Peterson Field Guide is one of my faverates.
I know how you felt though I was looking for a book on European Fish before I went to England & Ireland on vacation back in 2002.
I baught three books, and my favorate is Guide to Freshwater Fish of Britain and Europe.

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#13 Guest_Markart_*

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 03:45 AM

I am glad you found a good book, my Peterson Field Guide is one of my faverates.
I know how you felt though I was looking for a book on European Fish before I went to England & Ireland on vacation back in 2002.
I baught three books, and my favorate is Guide to Freshwater Fish of Britain and Europe.

Thanks Mike. Coincidentally I spotted the book pictured on Amazon (as used only) I assume it's out of print. I have my eye on another UK native book though. I would love to keep UK natives, but I worry that these species would need a 'wintering' period I wouldn't be able to provide in indoor aquaria. It's a bit of a grey area really, so few people keep these fish indoors (I don't know anybody-although Reebok, also a member here, keeps them in an outdoor fish-house) that I'm not sure how they would fare.

#14 Guest_reebok_*

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 03:39 AM

Mark,

I bought myself the updated second edition Peterson North American fishes guide from Amazon a few weeks ago. As you will have found, great for ID purposes but nothing on care. Especially good I think are the 56 plates, most of them in colour, it just heightens our craving for fish that are hellish difficult and expensive to obtain in the UK! Fish pornography !!

Incidentally (and the question is thrown open to anyone) on plate 17 the photo of the Greenhead shiner has an 'identifying feature arrow' indicating the caudal fin but there is nothing in the text about what that feature is. Does anyone know? Perversely, the reason I bought the guide was to try and find a physical diffrentiation between Yellowfin and Greenhead shiners that have become mixed in my holding aquarium and now can't be told apart (see other thread under 'Minnows and Suckers'

I have a number of books of varying quality on native UK species and the Schleser NA guide, you're welcome anytime to borrow any of them.

Edited by reebok, 08 May 2011 - 04:04 AM.

#15 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 05:07 PM

Incidentally (and the question is thrown open to anyone) on plate 17 the photo of the Greenhead shiner has an 'identifying feature arrow' indicating the caudal fin but there is nothing in the text about what that feature is. Does anyone know? Perversely, the reason I bought the guide was to try and find a physical diffrentiation between Yellowfin and Greenhead shiners that have become mixed in my holding aquarium and now can't be told apart (see other thread under 'Minnows and Suckers'

Reebok,

I think they are trying to point to the white caudal fin (tail) of the fish in the picture... as compared to the colored fins of the yellowfin shiners... until the last few years that used to be the easiest way to differentiate greenhead from yellowfin... it was said that greenheads in breeding colors had white fins, while yellow fins had fins that were yellow to orange to almost red.

More recently we have found some yellowfins shiners is certain ranges that have white fins... so that may not always be the best indicator any more.

Oh, and by the way, that arrow points to the tail of the draing in the first edition too, so that makes me think it is still the white fin vs yellow/orange fin thing.

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#16 Guest_reebok_*

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:26 AM

Reebok,

I think they are trying to point to the white caudal fin (tail) of the fish in the picture... as compared to the colored fins of the yellowfin shiners... until the last few years that used to be the easiest way to differentiate greenhead from yellowfin... it was said that greenheads in breeding colors had white fins, while yellow fins had fins that were yellow to orange to almost red.

More recently we have found some yellowfins shiners is certain ranges that have white fins... so that may not always be the best indicator any more.

Oh, and by the way, that arrow points to the tail of the draing in the first edition too, so that makes me think it is still the white fin vs yellow/orange fin thing.

Ah yes, thanks Michael I think you're right. I was looking for something in the text that referred specifically to the caudal being an identifying feature - I think it is meaning the fins generally.

#17 Guest_Markart_*

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 01:40 PM

Mark,

I bought myself the updated second edition Peterson North American fishes guide from Amazon a few weeks ago. As you will have found, great for ID purposes but nothing on care. Especially good I think are the 56 plates, most of them in colour, it just heightens our craving for fish that are hellish difficult and expensive to obtain in the UK! Fish pornography !!

Incidentally (and the question is thrown open to anyone) on plate 17 the photo of the Greenhead shiner has an 'identifying feature arrow' indicating the caudal fin but there is nothing in the text about what that feature is. Does anyone know? Perversely, the reason I bought the guide was to try and find a physical diffrentiation between Yellowfin and Greenhead shiners that have become mixed in my holding aquarium and now can't be told apart (see other thread under 'Minnows and Suckers'

I have a number of books of varying quality on native UK species and the Schleser NA guide, you're welcome anytime to borrow any of them.

Dave,

Thanks for the offer of the borrow, in the link below is the UK native book I've got my eye on. Are you familiar with it at all?

http://www.amazon.co...04964729&sr=8-6

I've had a good thumb through the Peterson guide now and it's pretty good I think. You're right about the frustration though, so many wonderful fish on this continent are destined to remain out of reach. Oh well, I'll have to content myself with our own Phoxinus perhaps, about which I shall be in touch!