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#1 gerald

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:45 PM

NANFA Field Trips June 9-10

Atlantic Basins..........Tenn/Ohio Basins
Dan/Roanoke................Toe/Nolichucky
Neuse...........................Watauga
Cape Fear.....................New/Kanawha
Waccamaw
Lumber
Yadkin/PeeDee
Catawba
Broad

NC Fish Species We Might Catch on Field Trips:

SEE GERALD'S UPDATED POST BELOW, MAY 9

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#2 gerald

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 06:08 PM

CRESCENT SHINER -- I'm following FarmerTodd's thread that began under "Convention in Greensborough". I started some more specific sub-forums & am trying to shift our Convention discussions into those. Your help is appreciated!

I agree with Todd - 20 long (30 inches) min size for a group of 6 or 8 adult crescents. if too few fish, then somebody may get picked on too much -- more fish diffuses aggression, like tropical barbs. Ive never seen quite that much color (as Todd's photos) on a 2-inch crescent, the lipstick pink ones i see are more like 3+ inch. But even 1 -2 inch juvies are quite nice with irridescent pink highlights and red lips, fins. And theyll breed in a tray of coarse gravel, no chub needed. common in the Dan R tribs near Greensboro. -- gerald

They'd beat each other up, males are going to have spatial territories larger than that. But... This is a Luxilus you can get away with in 20 long.

Todd

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#3 farmertodd

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 09:07 AM

The Nolichucky.... Duh! I was wondering how we were going to easily get to the Tennesee species.

Some more eye candy...

Pinewoods shiner: http://nomy.org/nanf...urus/matutinus/

Saffron shiner: http://nomy.org/nanf...affron.jpg.html (does it no justice)

NC Style longnose dace:
http://nomy.org/nanf...sedace.jpg.html (monster!)

Greenfin darter:
http://nomy.org/nanf...hlorobranchium/ (not in color)

Redline darter: http://nomy.org/nanf...a/rufilineatum/

Swannanoa darter: http://nomy.org/nanf...toma/swannanoa/

Banded darter: http://nomy.org/nanf...eostoma/zonale/

Gilt darter: http://nomy.org/nanf...percina/evides/

Roanoke darter: http://nomy.org/nanf...ercina/roanoka/

Todd
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#4 ashtonmj

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 09:10 AM

[quote name='farmertodd' date='Feb 7 2007, 08:07 AM' post='8815']
The Nolichucky.... Duh! I was wondering how we were going to easily get to the Tennesee species.

The Watauga too. 8-[
Matt Ashton
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Baltimore, MD

#5 Dustin

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 09:19 AM

Hey Gerald, Can you list the collecting trips along with some highlighted species from each trip? This will give everyone some time to ponder which trip would be best.

Dustin Smith
At the convergence of the Broad, Saluda and Congaree
Lexington, SC


#6 Dustin

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 05:29 PM

Also, what type licenses, etc. will be needed to collect and keep the fish we collect?

Dustin Smith
At the convergence of the Broad, Saluda and Congaree
Lexington, SC


#7 Drew

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 05:58 PM

Also, what type licenses, etc. will be needed to collect and keep the fish we collect?


Dustin, just posted this document by Gerald, should have the information others are looking for : http://forum.nanfa.o...?showtopic=1193
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#8 Gambusia

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 02:21 PM

Also it's worth noting that collecting fishes out of trout streams in NC is virtually illegal.

Which limits collecting in a lot of the higher mountain counties.

#9 Dustin

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 08:12 PM

Also it's worth noting that collecting fishes out of trout streams in NC is virtually illegal.

Which limits collecting in a lot of the higher mountain counties.


I assume this will be taken care of via scientific collecting permits or an agreement with NC fisheries people.

Dustin Smith
At the convergence of the Broad, Saluda and Congaree
Lexington, SC


#10 Gambusia

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:46 PM

I would think so.

I live near Asheville and looked into getting a scientific collecting permit so I could dip net around in the trout streams I fish.

Too much hassle as the permit is really designed for serious scientific and research purposes.

This is just a reminder to people who might think of collecting on their own.

Got a fishing license, you are good to go almost everywhere except trout streams.

If it wasn't for the restriction on collecting in 'trout streams', NC's fish collection laws would be great.

Just a basic inland fishing license or a special fishing device license is all you need for most aquaria collecting.

:cool:

#11 gerald

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Posted 21 February 2007 - 03:07 PM

There's plenty of NC mountain streams that are NOT designated trout waters where we can seine.
see this link for Trout Stream Maps: http://www.ncwildlif...ishing/pg3a.htm

Gerald

I would think so.

I live near Asheville and looked into getting a scientific collecting permit so I could dip net around in the trout streams I fish.

Too much hassle as the permit is really designed for serious scientific and research purposes.

This is just a reminder to people who might think of collecting on their own.

Got a fishing license, you are good to go almost everywhere except trout streams.

If it wasn't for the restriction on collecting in 'trout streams', NC's fish collection laws would be great.

Just a basic inland fishing license or a special fishing device license is all you need for most aquaria collecting.

:cool:


Gerald Pottern
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#12 gerald

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 05:06 PM

Attached is a table of 164 fish species in 21 families that we might find during our June 9-10 field trips.
We have tentative plans for six trips in different directions from Greensboro. Not sure yet how many trips will be offered each day - will depend on how many folks attend. We'd like some feedback on which trips will interest the most people. The farthest ones (C=mountains and F=Lake Waccamaw) are about 3 hrs drive from Greensboro.

Collecting Trips - River Basins, Counties

A. (E) Haw, Hyco, Flat, Tar, Eno.. Counties: Alamance, Caswell, Person, Granville, Orange
B. (NW) Haw, Dan, Yadkin, Little (New).. Counties: Guilford, Rockingham, Stokes, Surry, Alleghany
C. (W) S.ForkNew, Watauga, Toe, Johns, Yadkin.. Counties: Ashe, Watauga, Avery, Caldwell, Wilkes

D. (SW) S.Yadkin, S.Fork Catawba, First Broad.. Counties: Iredell, Catawba, Burke, Cleveland

E. (S) Uwharrie, Little (PeeDee), Lumber, Deep.. Counties: Richmond, Moore, Montgomery, Randolph

F. (SE) Lumber, Waccamaw.. Counties: Columbus, Robeson, Scotland, Richmond

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#13 fritz

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:52 PM

we would also like some feedback if you plan on doing 2 days of trips or 1.
Fritz

#14 Uland

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 10:25 PM

we would also like some feedback if you plan on doing 2 days of trips or 1.
Fritz


Excellent work guys. Thanks for putting everything together including the list. I'll be in the water two days but not exactly sure where yet.
Floats up, lead down

#15 bflowers

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 12:15 AM

Excellent work guys. Thanks for putting everything together including the list. I'll be in the water two days but not exactly sure where yet.


My son Shawn and I will be doing 2 days of collecting. I like the fact you have listed the trips early so we can get an idea of which ones would be best.

Thanks,

Bill F.

#16 killier

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 06:35 AM

waccamaw and Yadkin
2 days

kanawha darter I'm coming for you.

lets hope we dont run out of pygmy sunnies
trust the killienut
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#17 Drew

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 01:46 PM

2 days here and I'm interested in C & E
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#18 Kanus

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 03:37 PM

2 days here and I'm interested in C & E

I second that.

Derek Wheaton

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#19 keepnatives

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 05:01 PM

2 days most likely B & C
Mike Lucas
Mohawk-Hudson Watershed
Schenectady NY

#20 Dustin

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 07:28 AM

I will be there for 2 days, where ever I am sent.

Dustin Smith
At the convergence of the Broad, Saluda and Congaree
Lexington, SC