Do you pet your fish?
#1 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:56 AM
#2 Guest_CreekStomper_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 04:48 AM
Josh H
#3 Guest_mywan_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 05:15 AM
#4 Guest_FirstChAoS_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 08:15 AM
#5 Guest_mywan_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 09:10 AM
Highly plausible, but of those fish that feed from my hands getting attention or contact from anything but the mouth was not in the cards. The nip came only when the guy placed his fingers in front of its very sensitive snout and barbels impeding the catfishes motion. This fish obviously was not consistently investigating the hand for food. Too little attention was given from the mouth in search of food, often without pause going under the hand and arching its body to maintain skin contact.I noticed the fish snapped at him when his fingers got too close to its mouth. Maybe he conditioned it to take food from his hand.
Biting and nipping behavior is quiet common for lots of species during mating. I've seen male Common snapping turtles bite the skin off the back of the females head during mating. It may be possible to feed train a fish to do this with consistent petting prior to feeding. Slightly more indirect training than a simple food association, like training to pull a lever for food.
#6 Guest_frogwhacker_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 10:52 AM
Highly plausible, but of those fish that feed from my hands getting attention or contact from anything but the mouth was not in the cards.
Here's an interesting example of that I found a couple years ago.
http://www.hbpondman...ngbassvideo.htm
There are a couple of attempts to "pet", but the fish really isn't into it the way the catfish is. Of course, I'm comparing black bass to catfish too, but I think we're limited on the number of examples we can find for a comparison.
Steve.
#7 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:59 AM
Usil
Edited by Usil, 26 December 2011 - 12:01 PM.
#8 Guest_az9_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 08:21 PM
It could be sexual as you can see it's vent is engorged. The vent condition might just be automatic. Seeking out repeated contact seems to indicate it likes the contact.
Usil
Not exactly the same thing but I once remember reading in the IN-Fisherman magazine where two of the magazine article staff were in a boat on a muskie lake. A musky actually raised his head out of the water and repeatedly clacked his jaws swimming back and forth as if looking at them. It was so weird and unbelievable they were afraid to tell anyone.
I would be skeptical too but I had a brook trout to the same thing to me while sitting in an ice shanty with the dog. He was obviously after food but he clearly stuck his head high out of the water in the ice hole clacking his jaws. My dog freaked so bad she nearly knocked over the shanty trying to get out.
Here is a picture of the fish after I went inside and got some pellets. Didn't stick his head completely out of the water for the picture but still somewhat: (Bottom left and right)
http://www.ligtel.co...baird/Brook.htm
#9 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 08:30 PM
he clearly stuck his head high out of the water in the ice hole clacking his jaws
Amazing. The question is, if all animals in the wild, do things based on instincts or instinctive behavior, what the heck is going on with the fish sticking his head out of the water accepting food? Surely he has never done this before. He has never seen food pellets at ice holes. An animal in the wild would not understand the link of getting food when sticking his head out. So, is this an act of desperation? He was hoping for a warmer home????
What other weird behavior has been observed?
Usil
Edited by Usil, 26 December 2011 - 08:31 PM.
#10 Guest_FirstChAoS_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 09:48 PM
Amazing. The question is, if all animals in the wild, do things based on instincts or instinctive behavior, what the heck is going on with the fish sticking his head out of the water accepting food? Surely he has never done this before. He has never seen food pellets at ice holes. An animal in the wild would not understand the link of getting food when sticking his head out. So, is this an act of desperation? He was hoping for a warmer home????
What other weird behavior has been observed?
Usil
My first thought on hearing about the trout was it could be a hatchery trout. Trout acclimated to being fed by humans are stocked in large numbers yearly. I am actually suprised he survived that long given how boldly he approaches fishermen.
#11 Guest_keepnatives_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 10:17 PM
Mike
#12 Guest_frogwhacker_*
Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:22 PM
When I was a teenager my uncle had a foot long plecostomus which when it saw my uncle come into the fish room, would immediately rush to the front glass and suck up to it right at the top and wait. My uncle would reach in and pick it up by the dorsal spine with his thumb and middle finger, petting its head with his pointer finger. The pleco would actually wiggle his tail in response. The pleco would not do this for anyone else. It was the funniest thing to see.
Mike
Well now, I've seen a guy pettin' his catfish, and I've seen a guy feedin' a smallmouth with his lips, and I've even seen fish chompin' at the top of the water, but I ain't never seen nothin' like that!
Seriously though, that is amazing. I would have never guessed that any fish would desire to be picked up by the dorsal spine for any reason. I've pickup up bluegills out of a pond before while they were eating out of my hand, but they only tolerated it. It certainly wasn't their choice. That's really cool!
Steve.
P.S. I have seen what I believed to be minnows aggressively chomping at the top of the water. Just one out of the whole school of them. It is bizarre looking behavior.
Edited by frogwhacker, 27 December 2011 - 12:09 AM.
#13 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:08 AM
Usil
#14 Guest_FirstChAoS_*
Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:28 AM
There are a couple of attempts to "pet", but the fish really isn't into it the way the catfish is. Of course, I'm comparing black bass to catfish too, but I think we're limited on the number of examples we can find for a comparison.
Steve.
about 0:30 in their is an interesting scene of a bass chasing a smaller fish.
#15 Guest_mywan_*
Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:11 PM
The point is that instinct alone is not a valid distinction when even the value of instincts more often than not require levels of associative skills in order to modify the effects of instincts to fit an environment or situation to maximize survival. Just as instincts do not restrict Pavlovian associative skills, neither do they restrict imaginative associative skills. Everything merely comes down to degrees, there is no either or in the equation. Even we do things daily "based" on instinctual predispositions, but of course it does not dictate how we may choose to modify those choices or contextualize the meaning of such predispositions.
#16 Guest_FirstChAoS_*
Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:57 PM
A trout came looking for food like a tame fish when the hole has trout food around it. That seems almost suspicious.
#17 Guest_az9_*
Posted 27 December 2011 - 01:01 PM
My first thought on hearing about the trout was it could be a hatchery trout. Trout acclimated to being fed by humans are stocked in large numbers yearly. I am actually suprised he survived that long given how boldly he approaches fishermen.
It was originally a raceway trout before planted into the flow through pond. No angling unless for culling or final harvest. Fish were sold to other taxidermists (I'm a fish taxidermist).
I still think it's odd the fish stuck his head so far out of the water and clacked his jaws.
#18 Guest_FirstChAoS_*
Posted 28 December 2011 - 12:31 PM
(pic is likely non native as it looks carplike and likely fakes or set up, but it got a chuckle from me)
#19 Guest_gzeiger_*
Posted 28 December 2011 - 05:17 PM
#20 Guest_njJohn_*
Posted 28 December 2011 - 06:27 PM
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