Okefenokee spawn
#1 Guest_coder14_*
Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:19 AM
#2 Guest_EricaWieser_*
Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:30 AM
I'm no expert but my pygmy sunfish fry grow up well eating microworms. They're pretty resourceful little babies. Here's one hunting for food on a Special Kitty cat litter (pure baked ground clay) substrate. The wiggly things are californian blackworms.How do the experts raise a brood of pygmy sunfish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRLPq9o_rEY
I've seen them either hang out at the bottom or at the top depending on where the most plant cover and food is.
They eat grindal worms as soon as their mouths are big enough, at around a quarter inch long. (I like my grindal worm cultures better than my microworm cultures, so that works for me).
Edited by EricaWieser, 04 July 2012 - 09:38 AM.
#3 Guest_coder14_*
Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:52 AM
#4 Guest_EricaWieser_*
Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:57 AM
I don't know. There have never been hydras in any of my aquariums before.You don't think the hydras will harm the fry do you?
#5 Guest_skalartor_*
Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:31 AM
and i am not a very big fan of worms as only food for fish. they contain huge amounts of fat, in most cases too much for a valuable nutrition.
#6 Guest_EricaWieser_*
Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:18 AM
This made me curious, so I did some research and I found the composition of the following foods:and i am not a very big fan of worms as only food for fish. they contain huge amounts of fat, in most cases too much for a valuable nutrition.
Grindal worms (a strain of white worm) dry mass:
70% protein, 14.5% fat, 5.5% ash (minerals), 10% carbohydrates
Source: http://www.petworld....id=20&Itemid=25
White worm wet mass:
Protein 14% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 77.8%), Moisture 82%, Fat 3%, Carbohydrates 2%, Ash 1%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Hikari freeze dried brine shrimp (my Elassoma have never accepted a freeze dried food, but this lets you compare with the dry mass of grindal/white worms):
Protein - 47% min., Fat - 5.5% max., Fibre - 0.5%, Moisture - 6.0% max., Ash - 0.1% max.
Source: http://www.hikari.in...pical/t_22.html
Ocean Nutrition frozen brine shrimp cubes (my Elassoma have never eaten even a live brine shrimp, but this lets you compare with the wet mass of grindal/white worms):
Crude Protein (min.) — 10.3%, Crude Fat (min.) — 1.8%, Crude Fiber (max.) — 4.6%, Moisture (max.) — 83.5%, Ash (max.) — 2.5%
Source: http://www.oceannutr...-shrimp-plus™
Brine shrimp, second source to see if both say the same thing. This is wet mass:
Protein 9% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 75%), Moisture 88%, Fat 2.5%, Fiber 3%, Ash .6%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Artemia cysts (is this baby brine shrimp? I guess so)
Protein 60%, Moisture 8.5%, Fat 24%, Ash 4.4%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Microworms
Protein 48%, Moisture Unknown, Fat 21%, Glycogen 7%, Organic acids 1%, Nucleic acids 1%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Ocean Nutrition frozen bloodworms (my Elassoma do readily eat frozen bloodworms if I cut them up a little for them. Whole ones are almost too big to fit in their mouths. This compares to the wet mass of white/grindal worms):
Crude Protein (min.) — 3.2%, Crude Fat (min.) — 0.2%, Crude Fiber (max.) — 0.7%, Moisture (max.) — 95.1%, Ash (max.) — 0.4%, Phosphorus (min.) — 0.1%
Source: http://www.oceannutr...post=bloodworms
Ocean Nutrition frozen daphnia (compare to the wet mass of white/grindal worms):
Crude Protein (min.) — 2.8%, Crude Fat (min.) — 0.8%, Crude Fiber (max.) — 0.5%, Moisture (max.) — 95.5%, Ash (max.) — 0.4%, Phosphorus (min.) — 0.1%
Source: http://www.oceannutr...m/?post=daphnia
Daphnia (compare to wet mass of white/grindal worms):
Protein 5% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 45.45%), Moisture 89%, Fat .5%, Fiber .9%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Moina (compare to wet mass of white worms):
Protein 4% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 80%), Moisture 95%, Fat .54%, Carbohydrates .67%, Ash .15%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
D. melanogaster flies (compare to wet mass of white/grindal worms):
Protein 17.8% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 68.46%), Moisture 74%, Fat 5.3%, Ash 1.7%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Wax Worm (compare to wet mass of white/grindal worms)
Protein 15.7% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 41%), Moisture 61.73%, Fat 22.19%, Fiber 7.69%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Beef Heart (compare to wet mass of white/grindal worms)
Protein 12.3% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 59.7%), Moisture 79.4%, Fat 3%, Fiber 3.9%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
Maggots (compare to wet mass of white/grindal worms)
Protein 15.58% (Protein as a percentage of dry matter 48.96%), Moisture 68.18%, Fat 7.81%, Fiber 3.46%, Ash 1.4%
Source: http://dwarfpuffers....php?f=3&t=16294
I think, after doing all that, that I'm fine with feeding my fish only grindal worms. Three percent fat wet mass? That's not bad compared to the five percent of D. melanogaster flies. The surprising one was artemia cysts, 24% fat. Wow. I didn't know baby brine shrimp were so fatty.
Is there a way to tell if your fish has too much fat in its diet? I dunno. I can't imagine me taking an Elassoma in to the lab that died from old age in my tank and asking my boss to let me do an ORO stain on its aorta. Lol. That would earn some funny looks.
Edited by EricaWieser, 07 July 2012 - 10:41 AM.
#7 Guest_Auban_*
Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:02 PM
at the same time, you never know what a difference a little variety will make untill you try it. it may turn good into awesome or just turn good into good+variety. i feed my gilbertis a decent variety, but i cant say if it makes any difference to them or not.
#8 Guest_gzeiger_*
Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:18 PM
#9 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:57 PM
#10 Guest_gzeiger_*
Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:14 AM
#11 Guest_coder14_*
Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:15 AM
#12 Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:11 AM
#13 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:31 PM
Other than that what are the rules on selling or trading captive bred native fish? Are there native fish police that will come get me if I sell these to people that want them?
#14 Guest_EricaWieser_*
Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:35 PM
Call up your local department of wildlife, tell them what species and that you bred them, and ask their advice. It might take them a few days to check the laws and get back to you, but that is the best way to find out what's legal and what's not. For example I called up my local department of wildlife and was like, "What license do I need to sell my captive bred Elassoma gilberti?" and at first they were like, "What's an Elassoma gilberti?" and then I told them and we had a back and forth as they got details and checked the laws. Finally I got a call back saying, "You don't need a license. It's not native to this state, it wasn't wild caught, and you're selling them for indoor aquarium use, so as far as we're concerned it's like a tropical fish." And I was like, "yaaaay" and sold some. It's best to have all your bases covered and call up your local department of wildlife and find out for yourself.what are the rules on selling or trading captive bred native fish? Are there native fish police that will come get me if I sell these to people that want them?
#15 Guest_coder14_*
Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:20 PM
#16 Guest_killielover_*
Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:01 PM
#17
Posted 30 August 2012 - 09:16 PM
I have a Elassoma okefenokee male that does not have a mate. Is there a way I can obtain any fry?
cloning?
#18 Guest_gzeiger_*
Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:21 PM
#19 Guest_killielover_*
Posted 31 August 2012 - 12:32 AM
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