I'll venture that the darter is a tessellated. The sucker type looks like a northern hogsucker, but my guides say they don't live this far south in SC. P2180262.JPG 94.13KB 6 downloads P2180264.JPG 76.74KB 6 downloads P2180265.JPG 72.52KB 6 downloads P2180277.JPG 68.48KB 6 downloads P2180278.JPG 83.28KB 5 downloads P2180279.JPG 79.18KB 6 downloads P2180281.JPG 82.67KB 4 downloads P2180283.JPG 89.59KB 3 downloads P2180284.JPG 85.62KB 3 downloads
What are these guys?
#1
Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:57 PM
I'll venture that the darter is a tessellated. The sucker type looks like a northern hogsucker, but my guides say they don't live this far south in SC. P2180262.JPG 94.13KB 6 downloads P2180264.JPG 76.74KB 6 downloads P2180265.JPG 72.52KB 6 downloads P2180277.JPG 68.48KB 6 downloads P2180278.JPG 83.28KB 5 downloads P2180279.JPG 79.18KB 6 downloads P2180281.JPG 82.67KB 4 downloads P2180283.JPG 89.59KB 3 downloads P2180284.JPG 85.62KB 3 downloads
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#2 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:16 PM
#3 Guest_sbtgrfan_*
Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:52 PM
Northern Hogsuckers are found in the area, from what I've seen around the upstate, very plentiful in the Savannah Drainage and that does appear to be one.
I'd guess Tessie as well on the Darter.
#4
Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:56 PM
#5 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:01 PM
I would have guessed Bluehead Chub for the first one. Possibly Creek Chub I suppose. My ID skills are not anywhere close to perfect and I know they can be difficult to distinguish as juveniles. Did you happen to notice if it had a black spot at the base of the dorsal?
Northern Hogsuckers are found in the area, from what I've seen around the upstate, very plentiful in the Savannah Drainage and that does appear to be one.
I'd guess Tessie as well on the Darter.
I would take your word on it. We do not have blueheads up here, though we have other Nocomis, and sad to say, I often ID them on the size of the waterway.
#6 Guest_fritz_*
Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:29 PM
#7
Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:38 PM
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#8
Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:45 PM
Yes,bluehead chub, northern hog sucker and tessellated darter. Go online, spend a few bucks and buy the totally awesome Freshwater Fishes of South Carolina. Unbiased view of course.
I don't know if we should consider this the "post of the week" or if we should start using the Warning Points System after all!
#9 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:11 PM
I don't know if we should consider this the "post of the week" or if we should start using the Warning Points System after all!
Crap, I used it today already. Now that I am in the groove, Fritz is dusted!
#10 Guest_fritz_*
Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:06 PM
#11
Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:20 AM
I'm thinking the larger cyprinidae is another immature bluehead chub. The smaller one I think may be a creek chub- no black spot on the dorsal, but there is that red one. Is that red spot diagnostic of any particular fish? I see in Fritz's book that the creek chub has a red spot behind the diagnostic black one. Do they grow into a black spot after the red one? There were several of these fish.
Sorry about the poor photos. Also, right now I'm doing everything with a dipnet. If anybody wants to get together to seine a nondescript stream for run-of-the-mill, nuttin' special fish, let me know. I have included a picture of this collecting site on Brightman's Creek, Greenwood, SC. (Santee drainage)
Lastly, can anybody verify that the mollusks are Asian clams? And what is that grubby looking thing?
Matt
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"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#12
Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:23 AM
Sorry, forgot to add this picture with the others. These are the mollusks in question.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#13 Guest_EricaWieser_*
Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:53 AM
Edited by EricaWieser, 12 March 2013 - 10:53 AM.
#14
Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:11 AM
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:12 AM
#16
Posted 12 March 2013 - 12:14 PM
I wondered about some of those minnows maybe being yellowfins, Michael. I didn't mention it though, because N. lutipinnis is maybe not supposed to be in the Santee drainage. A yellowfin lookalike, the greenhead, N. chlorocephalus, is but it's breeding coloration has white fins. Fritz relates that there is currently some debate over just what is and isn't a yellowfin and/or greenhead, and that some think there could be some hybridizing going on. Wonder what he thinks they are...
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#17
Posted 12 March 2013 - 12:21 PM
I'll print that up and give it to it for its next therapy session. It is actually a much healthier crick, at least at that location, than I expected. In addition to fish it hosts lots of amphibians, the occasional reptile and leech, several aquatic insects, those weird sluggy-lookin' things, and crayfish out the wazoo. Considering the bridge at that site is apparently a favored spot for locals to dispose of metals (paintball guns, headboard, shop cabinet) and alcohol bottles I wasn't holding out much hope for it initially. Glad I guessed wrong!Oh and that means you have a fantastic little very special stream that most Yankees would kill for. Love you local drainage. Hyper-local natives rule!
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#18
Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:00 PM
But the one on the side of the tank in the bluehead photo and the last one is definintely a Notropis... although I was afraid you were going to say that about greenheads... so maybe they are... that is not one that we are likely to solve with just a photo... but he is your local Hydrophlox
#19 Guest_swampfish_*
Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:32 PM
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#20 Guest_Kanus_*
Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:42 PM
Not sure if you have both bluehead and river chubs in that drainage, but on the Atlantic slope where they both occur, they are pretty easy to tell the difference if you look at the breast. Bluegrass have a mostly or fully scaled while river chubs are mostly or fully naked. Handy tip I learned last summer.
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