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Started by Guest_thegreensunfish_* , Sep 28 2013 04:27 PM

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#1 Guest_thegreensunfish_*

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:27 PM

These were all caught in Western NY over the last couple of weeks.

The first one, I think, is a common/striped shiner but it has no lines on its back.

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The next is a Round Goby and what I want to know is if it has the dot on the dorsal fin, does that mean it is definitely a Round Goby?

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And last, I am not quite sure...

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#2 Guest_EricaLyons_*

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:43 PM

Could the last one be a golden shiner? You're in its range. http://nas.er.usgs.g...x?SpeciesID=579

Also, where I used to live there was some sort of law where you had to kill round gobies on sight. You weren't allowed to put them back in the water, by law.

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#3 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:46 PM

Common/striped. Cant tell from your photo, what is in your range? Round goby. The last you can figure out on your own. It is a commonly sold bait fish. Kind of has a golden color.

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#4 Guest_thegreensunfish_*

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:38 AM

EricaLyons,
Yes, I think it is a golden shiner. It looks a lot different than the last one I caught and that is what threw me off. I did kill the Round Goby. What I want to know is a positive way to id it so I don't kill any Sculpins.

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Skipjack,
Both of them are in my range and they're supposed to have stripes on their backs to distinguish them but this fish didn't. How else can I tell them apart?

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#5 Guest_daveneely_*

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 08:16 AM

Yes, I think it is a golden shiner. It looks a lot different than the last one I caught and that is what threw me off.

Also keep in mind rudd have been introduced up your way -- but based on the lack of red in the fins it's probably just a golden.

I did kill the Round Goby. What I want to know is a positive way to id it so I don't kill any Sculpins.

...you mean the scales and pelvic fins fused into a disc didn't clue you in?

Both of them are in my range and they're supposed to have stripes on their backs to distinguish them but this fish didn't. How else can I tell them apart?

Scale size on the nape. Somewhat crowded in commons and even-sized in striped shiners.

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#6 Guest_Rainbowrunner_*

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:51 PM

EricaLyons,
Yes, I think it is a golden shiner. It looks a lot different than the last one I caught and that is what threw me off. I did kill the Round Goby. What I want to know is a positive way to id it so I don't kill any Sculpins.

Skipjack,
Both of them are in my range and they're supposed to have stripes on their backs to distinguish them but this fish didn't. How else can I tell them apart?

Striped shiner, round goby, golden shiner.
Use Prazi & those black spots will fall off in about a month or so.

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#7 Guest_thegreensunfish_*

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:26 PM

daveneely,
I've never caught a sculpin before and I do not know their anatomy but in the future, I'll assume that they're scaleless and that their pelvic fins are not fused into a disc. Thanks for the info on the common/striped shiner. It would have been helpful a couple of months ago http://forum.nanfa.o...3725-shiner-id/ when I was pulling my hair out because I didn't take a picture of its back. O:)

Rainbowrunner,

I didn't keep it, it was a catch and release. But thanks for the info, it will be handy to have in the future.

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#8 Guest_EricaLyons_*

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:45 PM

Here are pictures of the 'suction cup' that gobies have but darters and sculpin don't have.

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From http://fishindex.blo...m-plumieri.html

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More info:
http://www.dnr.state...spx?tabid=23571

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#9 Guest_blakemarkwell_*

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:47 PM

I was tempted to write that off as Notemigonus, but I figured the abdominal keel would've been somewhat apparent in one of those photos.

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#10 Guest_Rainbowrunner_*

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:21 AM

no problem. and a 24hr soak in jungle labs fungus cure (broad spectrum antibiotic) should also be considered mandatory. if you wanna get crazy you can follow that with 72hrs of (quick cure) at 80' degrees for the protozoan hitchhikers.