
Double-crested cormorant removal
#1
Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:23 AM
My biases when examining this issue include: being a gun owner and occasional hunter, but no friend of the NRA's or "thrill killers"; I'm obviously a fish lover, but also very interested in birds. I don't view any agency as infallible, but SC DNR officials have always been sincere and helpful in my dealings with them and I am truly appreciative of their efforts.
I guess my biggest questions regarding this topic concern the necessity of P. auritus removal in these lakes, and whether or not it is a "best practice" if removal is appropriate. This may be my home state, but I know very little about this; I never knew we had a cormorant "problem".
Any thoughts?
http://www.dnr.sc.go...ants/index.html
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#2
Guest_Uland_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 07:49 AM
Just a few notes...Cormorants are perfectly edible. There is no need to waste such meat. I have never known a "thrill killer" but I am told they are common. Not a friend of the NRA but you hunt? Hunting probably won't be legal for all that much longer as forces to eliminate both hunting and gun ownership have made great advances in recent years.
#3
Guest_Dustin_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:47 AM
#4
Guest_Irate Mormon_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:19 AM
#5
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:29 AM
#6
Guest_Dustin_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:37 AM
It's kind of like how local fishermen always kill "nuisance" animals like alligator gar, hellbenders, etc.
I understand this Martin and this will always take place regardless of laws or regulations. My issue with this is that it is state sanctioned.
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Guest_JamesShelton32_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:00 PM
#8
Guest_Uland_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:11 PM
If the population can sustain the hunting pressure and there's a valid use for the dead bird beyond removing the competition I don't see a problem. Has anyone actually tasted a Cormorant? Edible is a much lower bar than palatable! I've made it a point to try just about anything I can legally take that walks, crawls flies or swims where I am, and my experience with animals that predominantly eat fish, and cold blooded prey in general (excluding fish) has not been good from an epicurean point of view. I don't think I've ever tasted anything fouler than a Northern Watersnake.
When in doubt, salt it and smoke it! If that doesn't do it, you always have barbeque sauce.
I do think strictly enforcing wanton waste laws would help here.
#9
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:15 PM
Obviously it isn't against the law, or the feds would stop it.Isn't this against the migratory bird act? The Feds should stop this, http://thetandd.com/...19bb2963f4.html
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Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:17 PM
#11
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:26 PM
My thought exactly, although my experience eating a Hooded Merganser gives me pause to try Cormorant......I do not have a real problem with this. What if not humans preys upon cormorant? I have no interest in killing something that I don't want to eat, but I would give cormorant a try. Bet that it is one of those meats where the standard recipe is "dress it, parboil it in a large pot, discard contents, and eat the pot". I hope that people are utilizing the meat, but I imagine most of the people out there just want to kill something.
#12
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:34 PM
True about salting and smoking, but it's a bit labor intensive to end up with something just palatable. If I start out with a piece of fresh salmon, or a groundhog I know I'll end up with something that was worth the time and effort!When in doubt, salt it and smoke it! If that doesn't do it, you always have barbeque sauce.
I do think strictly enforcing wanton waste laws would help here.
#13
Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:45 PM
#14
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:08 PM
#15
Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:21 PM
#16
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:27 PM
#17
Guest_Subrosa_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:51 PM
I got it. Lets talk to Michael, and get it squared away. Thanks, Matt
#18
Posted 30 March 2014 - 04:12 PM
It is irrelevant as to whether a state/local agency enacts legislation if the feds have no desire to counter it. For example, Brevard Co., FL, several years ago got all upset about nudists at the very end of Canaveral Nat'l Seashore. The county ignited a little fire and enacted legislation forbidding public nudity. The fed response was in essence,"Pass whatever law you want, but we have jurisdiction there and we aren't about to do anything to stop the practice." Also, I need to read the link you posted. I have respect for Audubon in general and would be interested in its point.Isn't this against the migratory bird act? The Feds should stop this, http://thetandd.com/...19bb2963f4.html
I imagine my final opinion, if I ever develop one, will be based on thinking similar to the first sentence of this post, Subrosa.If the population can sustain the hunting pressure and there's a valid use for the dead bird beyond removing the competition I don't see a problem. Has anyone actually tasted a Cormorant? Edible is a much lower bar than palatable! I've made it a point to try just about anything I can legally take that walks, crawls flies or swims where I am, and my experience with animals that predominantly eat fish, and cold blooded prey in general (excluding fish) has not been good from an epicurean point of view. I don't think I've ever tasted anything fouler than a Northern Watersnake.
Uh, who's in charge of the banquet at the convention this year?I plan to try whistle pig this year. Season is open all year. I read to look for the scent glands in the armpit area. I read that young ones are choice, but older ones are so so. I thing three or four days soaked in a milk/salt mixture should tenderize an older animal pretty well. I am going to have to take it private and get a hold of you sometime. I don't want to derail this thread any more than I have. I do notice that you have your private message option on the forum disabled.
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#19
Guest_sbtgrfan_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 04:54 PM
While I haven't researched the biology of them, I suspect they eat far more of the migratory fish mentioned in the article than Bald Eagles or Osprey (Though osprey are very abundant there too). I think DNR is more concerned about the migratory fish (shad, herring...etc) than game fish, even though it mentions game fish.
As far as eating these go, you're not allowed to eat them if taken through this removal program. Further research into some links on the page state that they must be disposed of in an approved manner such as: Donation to museum or education program, burial or burning of the birds.
I don't suspect this program will last long.
#20
Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:09 PM
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