Hey guys,
On my trip with Ben to the convention in NC I micro-angled a few Cyprinids I'd like to confirm IDs on.
Fishing Creek, KY - A Highland Shiner?
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Fishing Creek, KY - Could this be a Steelcolor, or is it just a Spotfin?
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French Broad Drainage, NC (sorry, I don't remember the name of the actual stream) - Tennessee Shiner?
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Think this was Catawba? I got these, as did Ben, but he also scored a Spottail Shiner. I know surveys showed Sandbar Shiners. Could that be what these are? Again, I apologize if I have the drainage wrong.
Not sure if these two pics are from the same specimen or not.
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Now here is what I think is a Greenfin Shiner. Again I can't remember what stream or drainage, I am sorry. But sympatric species may help. We both got Feiryblack Shiner and Warpaint Shiner. I was the only one to get the proposed Greenfin. Ben was the only one to get a Margined Madtom.
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A Few Cyprinid IDs Needed
Started by
Guest_SicklefinRedhorse_*
, Aug 30 2014 12:32 AM
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#1 Guest_SicklefinRedhorse_*
Posted 30 August 2014 - 12:32 AM
#2 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 30 August 2014 - 12:29 PM
I'll leave the KY fish ID's to Josh, but will take a stab at the NC fish: YES on Tennessee shiner (#3) and Sandbar shiner (#4,5). Last two (#6,7) could be either greenfin (chloristia) or whitefin (nivea) if it's from Catawba drainage. Greenfin is more common, but they usually have a wider pale-diffuse lateral stripe; the dark narrow distinct stripe and slim body on that fish looks more nivea-like to me.
#3 Guest_jblaylock_*
Posted 30 August 2014 - 03:30 PM
#1. Highland Shiner. Notropis micropteryx
#2. Could be a Steelcolor, but more likely a Spotfin. That one is a little tougher without seeing the fish and even then, it's tough.
#2. Could be a Steelcolor, but more likely a Spotfin. That one is a little tougher without seeing the fish and even then, it's tough.
#4 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 30 August 2014 - 05:30 PM
I agree for what it's worth. Good luck telling spiloptera and whipplei apart unless you have jacked up males of each species in each hand. Some can do it, but most mortals have difficulty. In Ohio and Kentucky, spiloptera seems to be quite a bit more common. An observation, I find both in medium sized rivers, but rarely find steelcolors in the smaller tributaries, though I do find some spotfins. I suppose if you were not near the mouth of Fishing creek, it is likely a spotfin. If anyone has a different experience than I, let us know.
#5 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 30 August 2014 - 05:32 PM
Josh, is Highland shiner a rubellus split?
#6 Guest_jblaylock_*
Posted 30 August 2014 - 08:29 PM
Josh, is Highland shiner a rubellus split?
Yeah, it's rubellus in the Ky, licking, and Cumberland above the falls. I think everywhere else it's micropteryx (not sure about western ky).
#7 Guest_Dustin_*
Posted 03 September 2014 - 11:13 AM
I think the last two are greenfins. Greenfins are much more abundant in smaller creek and they are deeper bodied than whitefins. Whitefins mouth looks different as well.
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