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What minnow/fish is this?

Started by Guest_NotCousteau_* , Nov 02 2014 02:15 PM

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#1 Guest_NotCousteau_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 02:15 PM

Anyone have a good guess for what this might be? I have no clue. Caught in the Cannon River in south central Minnesota. It has a large mouth.

Thanks!

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#2 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 02:22 PM

Check your local Clinostomus species.

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#3 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 02:24 PM

You can get this one down to species I am certain.

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#4 Guest_NotCousteau_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 02:30 PM

Ah, that's a great lead! I think this is a redside dace now that I've looked that up. It's the only clinostomus on a long list of native fishes on the local university web site.

I had seen pictures of redside dace before, but they're so red and salmon-like that it didn't register with me when I saw this mostly silvery fish. Thanks!

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#5 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 02:42 PM

You won't miss that one again. Not too many minnows with a mouth like that.

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#6 Guest_butch_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 05:26 PM

Yup Skipjack is right and we only have one clinostomus species in MN.

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#7 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 06:26 PM

Looking at it in your hand, that is a pretty small redside dace. There are bound to be adults that show more color nearby. They are fast, somewhat difficult to net. Check the tributaries. 5 foot wide is not too small. It will be easier to catch them, and there will likely be more of them in the tiny streams. They are a headwater species. If you want to keep any this is the time of year to think about getting them. They are a fish that I strongly suggest salt in the collection bucket, and a gradual warm up. They jump like it's their job.

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#8 Guest_NotCousteau_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 07:20 PM

They're listed as a "species of special concern" in MN.

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#9 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 07:48 PM

I guess that does not surprise me, though their distribution seems fairly wide, they are only in headwater streams. We recently saw a case where in their southernmost distribution that they are being hybridized out of existence. The stream is full of SRBD, and more SRBD X RSD than pure redside dace. Very interesting.

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#10 Guest_FirstChAoS_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:55 PM

You won't miss that one again. Not too many minnows with a mouth like that.

It does have an interesting mouth with its long lower jaw. And with its mouth closed it's snout is almost pickerel like. It has a very colorful greenish color.

Also your right about different minnows having different mouths. This ones mouth can conveniently hold other minnows for you.

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#11 Guest_jblaylock_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:22 PM

We recently saw a case where in their southernmost distribution that they are being hybridized out of existence. The stream is full of SRBD, and more SRBD X RSD than pure redside dace. Very interesting.

Myth.............

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#12 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 02:37 PM

Let us hear your theory Josh. Let's see if it stands up against Zimmermans.

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#13 Sean Phillips

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 06:31 PM

Redsides are great to keep however if it's a special concern in your state I doubt it's legal to. Like Matt said they jump like crazy, my 3 never stop hitting the lid

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Sean Phillips - Pine Creek Watershed - Allegheny River Drainage

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#14 Guest_NotCousteau_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 06:33 PM

Yeah, I'll stick to the southern redbelly dace.

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#15 Guest_butch_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 08:07 PM

It is legal to take them since there are no laws to protect them. I've seen them show up in bait stores occasionally.

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#16 Guest_BenCantrell_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 08:17 PM

Cool find NotCousteau! I've looked for redsides in Wisconsin but was never able to find them.

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#17 Guest_NotCousteau_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 10:20 PM

Really, butch? I wasn't sure, from reading the DNR web site, if only endangered and threatened species were protected, and if species of special concern were included or not. The way it was written was unclear to me.

Ben, swing by southern Minnesota sometime! It's beautiful.

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#18 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 10:53 PM

If they are legal, then you can make an educated decision as to whether the population is strong enough to collect from or not.

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#19 Guest_jblaylock_*

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Posted 04 November 2014 - 08:43 AM

Let us hear your theory Josh. Let's see if it stands up against Zimmermans.

I'm just saying the fish is a myth. :biggrin:

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#20 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 04 November 2014 - 08:53 AM

I'm just saying the fish is a myth.

It was for years, but enough of us saw it in September, to pretty well confirm. Scary thing is that I saw the same happening in Chimney top creek. I wonder why this is happening?