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#1 LaMain

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 01:31 PM

Hello every one,

 

I'm french (so sorry for the numerous language mistakes to come :-) ), i'm very interest by wild life, mostly invertebrates, but I'm far from exclusive on that point.

So what am I doing here on NANFA's forum ?

I plan to start sampling fishes on the waters around my home (and wile traveling if the opportunity come) and maybe a local tank.

The sampling will be done by microfishing (and some times with minnow traps), simply because I like to fish (it's one of my hobbies) and because seining is basically forbidden for hobbyist here in France  (actually only line and hook fishing is allowed, with minnow trap).

 

So while the fishes species will be different I'm already reading the forum which as proven itself to be very useful (technically wise).

 

I already got a pole (a cheap one I bought on amazon, I'm ready to buy a "real" dedicated pole for now), and for now I will stick to the smallest hook I can get from the local shop (size 26 so far), and if they seem to be to big I will get some "tanago" hooks from the well known tenkarabum shop (which is another great inspiration and information source).

Funny story : today I went out to try the pole, the first fish I hooked was about 30cm (12", probably a bream), while I was trying to keep the right angle hopping the rod don't brake before the tippet after a 20 seconds "fight" finally the hook bended !

Unfortunately I didn't brought any spare hook so I had to call it a day (after 5 minutes...), but the rod should be good enough for some (really) microfishing :-)

 

Along with fishing my others outdoor hobbies are : photography and hiking and I usually combine them all :-) 

 

Hope to have some experiences/pictures to share soon !

 

LaMain


Edited by LaMain, 01 March 2015 - 01:33 PM.


#2 mattknepley

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 01:39 PM

Welcome, LaMain! Glad you have been able to find applicable information on our site.
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#3 Sean Phillips

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 04:01 PM

Welcome! Some interesting fish over in your area, I've always wanted a Wels Cat :).
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#4 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 04:55 PM

I'm french (so sorry for the numerous language mistakes to come :-) ), 

 

The sampling will be done by microfishing 

 

Along with fishing my others outdoor hobbies are : photography and hiking and I usually combine them all :-) 

 

Welcome LaMain,

 

You don't have to apologize for language mistakes here... I am impressed with anyone that communicates in two languages.

 

Look around, we have a whole forum on microfishing and we would love to hear of your adventures (and see pictures too).  Getting out to where the fishes live is a big part of what we enjoy.

 

When you said "bream" do you know what species the fish was?  Do you have north american sunfishes over there?


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#5 Sean Phillips

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 05:45 PM

Michael, I'm guessing he was referring to Abramis brama. Though I could be wrong, I know there's also invasive bluegill and pumpkinseed over there as well.
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#6 LaMain

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:06 PM

Thank you for the greetings,

 

 

Michael, yes I'll post some reports of all of my activities related to natives fishes, that will not be lot since I don't have a lot of free time now and I'm definitively not  made to fight the cold weather we have here ! (yeah that's just around 0°C a night ;-) ), 

 

And Sean made a good guess : I was referring to Abramis brama.

For the north american natives, in the rivers I easily have access to, I had fish some pumpkinseed (I will come back to you to confirm the ID as soon as I got some pictures), Micropterus salmoides and Ameiurus melas I haven't caught one for a while (they are considered as a pest a people tend to eradicate them).

And steelhead trout which does reproduce in a few places

 

In other rivers we can find some Ambloplites rupestris and Gambusia afinis.

There is probably other species I'm not aware of, and some non-fish rivers inhabitants (frogs, turtle, crayfish...).

 

For the Wels Cat (which is not a native) : the smallest I have caught so far was about 35cm (about 14") does it count as a micro considering the adult size :biggrin: ?

I think the younger ones are more nocturnal (Yes night fishing is forbidden too) but I still hope to catch a micro albinos one !

 

I stick to fresh water species because I just don't know any thing about salt water in France.

 

If the weather is good enough I'll try to go to the nearest pumpkinseed spot this week-end hopping it won't be to cold for them, I'll let you know !

 

See you

  



#7 Sean Phillips

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:42 PM

Oh, I thought wels were native to France, my mistake. Does albinism appear to be more common in wels than other local species? Cool that you have rock bass as well (well not good that they're invasive but interesting to see how many North American species are over there).
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#8 Josh Blaylock

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 07:23 PM

Welcome LeMain,

 

Even though we're all about NA Natives, I'm excited to see what kind of fish you catch in France.


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#9 Chasmodes

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 12:42 PM

Welcome LaMain!

 

No night fishing in France?  That is a bummer... 


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#10 LaMain

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 04:16 PM

Hello Josh,

 

I realize that this forum focus on NA natives, but 'unfortunately' there no association like NANFA in France and your forum appear to be the best resource for me me ;)

By the way if there is a part of the forum which is more appropriate for the french native and non NA invasive I want to post about let me know, I was thinking about posting them in the "General Invasive and Exotic Discussion" section.

Speaking of NA species I just find out Pimephales promelas is also present in France.

 

 

Wels are natives of the Danube's basins (not sure of the expression) and came to France when waterway (channel ?) where built then they spread by them-self and with the help of fishermen who like to caught (very) big fishes. That started in the 50s.

That said some source report his presence in France some centuries ago (around IV century if I remember correctly), those (very) few sources being un-check-able and the fact the specie was not present for centuries make me (along with most people, apart some wels-friendly fishermen) consider it as invasive.

For the albinism, it's the only specie I have seen myself and, apart the captive bred albinos steelhead trout (from a selected strain), the one I hear about the most.

But it doesn't mean it is : It's a sport fish, it doesn't have any natural predator here (at least once it reach a certain size) and it can be huge (ie : you don't have to fish it to see it).

To have more clue on this point one would have to check the stats on his natural habitat.

 

See you soon,


Edited by LaMain, 04 March 2015 - 04:21 PM.


#11 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 10:14 PM

LaMain, you are one of just a few forum members we have from outside of the states. We really do not have a protocol for this. I would say that you could post photos or information wherever it may seem most pertinent. If it is a wels catfish, put it in the catfish forum. That can work for now. I can talk with the other moderators, and see what we come up with.

I think that even though most of your fish are not North American (though it seems you have quite a few), the common denominator is that you are doing what we do. Going out and exploring your waters. I think we can all enjoy your posts no matter where you put them. One of our goals is to get people to realize how great our fish are, heck if we are getting noticed across the pond, that is a great thing. Tropical fish are not the only fish worthy of interest.

I bet it would interest quite a few of us to see some of the North American fish you have there. Your invasives. I am curious how they might look compared to our populations here. If they have been there for quite a while, are they adapting slightly different colorations? Food preferences?

Welcome!

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#12 LaMain

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 03:28 PM

Thank you for your answers,

 

No night fishing except for carp (cyprinus carpio) on some dedicated places

 

And I forgot about Salvelinus fontinalis which have been introduced and is established in some mountain lake and rivers.

 

Yes I will post some pictures of the NA fishes I can get as soon as possible.





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