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#1 Leo1234

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 08:57 AM

I have been wanting to try keeping them again. I have an aquarium that is freshwater aquarium that I wanted to put it in. I have a sandbed made from aragonite for raising PH. The reason I don't want to use salt is I have a native rush that I'm not sure what salinity it can take. Other than the salt, I have all the other conditions that they like (at least from what I read)

What do you think?



#2 Moontanman

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 09:23 AM

I've raised hog chokers from their larval state when their eyes were on opposite of their heads. They seldom eat commercial fish foog but will gorge themselves on daphnia ot black worms. 

 

I raised 3 of them to about 11" in a freshwater tank but they started trying to get out and died in a couple of weeks from lack of salt in the water. 

 

Adding calcium chloride might help along with a small amount of salt, I'd put about a tablespoon per gallon of the calcium chloride along with maybe half that in salt... 


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#3 Leo1234

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 09:28 AM

what is the lowest salinity the flounders can take? I do have some reef salt I could add, but I have some christmas moss in there. I also have 3 flagfish, but they are small. If I need to, I could plant the rush somewhere else, but I would do that as a last resort.

 

This rush I really like because it is one that can live in full sun to full shade, most substrate, and live a long time without much water. I don't know how salt tolerant it would be. All I know is it is from California up to 500ft above sea level.


Edit: I guess they are salt tolerant rushes. I can't find how tolerant since the website doesn't say how much. here is a quote from a different site.

"It grows at seepssprings, and riparian zones in stream beds and on river and pond banks, in marshes, and in other moist habitats"



#4 Moontanman

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 10:32 AM

what is the lowest salinity the flounders can take? I do have some reef salt I could add, but I have some christmas moss in there. I also have 3 flagfish, but they are small. If I need to, I could plant the rush somewhere else, but I would do that as a last resort.

 

This rush I really like because it is one that can live in full sun to full shade, most substrate, and live a long time without much water. I don't know how salt tolerant it would be. All I know is it is from California up to 500ft above sea level.


Edit: I guess they are salt tolerant rushes. I can't find how tolerant since the website doesn't say how much. here is a quote from a different site.

"It grows at seepssprings, and riparian zones in stream beds and on river and pond banks, in marshes, and in other moist habitats"

 

 

I don't know what species you are dealing with but local hog choker flounders (really soles) can and do quite well in pure freshwater until breeding time comes, they need salt from that point on,. 


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#5 Leo1234

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 10:33 AM

hogchockers (only one I can find for sale). I guess I could add it to my 33 brackish when it needs more salt.



#6 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 12:14 PM

 

 

I don't know what species you are dealing with but local hog choker flounders (really soles) can and do quite well in pure freshwater until breeding time comes, they need salt from that point on,. 

 

Moon is right... you don't need any salt if they are native hogchokers... not for years.


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#7 gerald

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Posted 23 May 2016 - 12:04 PM

Christmas moss and most aquatic plants do OK with at least 1 teasp/gal salt (~ 1.5 g/L).  Many plants that are not considered brackish can tolerate twice that much.  I'd give the hogchokers a little salt, just for added safety.  Your high hardness will certainly help too.


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