Posted over in Sunfishes about I guy I bumped into online who works for a hatchery. I told him about NANFA and he said this may be of interest to some of you. Its a true Channel Cat, but a marbled color morph.
Marbled Channel Cat
Started by
strat guy
, Nov 01 2016 08:09 PM
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#1
strat guy
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- NANFA Guest
- Orland Park, IL
Posted 01 November 2016 - 08:09 PM
120 low tech native planted - Blackstriped Topminnow, Central Stoneroller, Fathead minnow, Golden Shiner, Black chin shiner, Carmine Shiner, Emerald Shiner, Sand Shiner, Spotfin Shiner, Orangethroat darter, Johnny Darter, and Banded Darter.
#3
gerald
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- Wake Forest, North Carolina
Posted 02 November 2016 - 07:38 AM
Is the hatchery producing these as a "strain" or is this just an occasional mutation that pops up?
I can imagine the koi pond marketers pushing these as koi-cats or something.
Gerald Pottern
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#4
itsme
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- NANFA Member
Posted 02 November 2016 - 08:07 AM
Tell him to make some more!
#5
zooxanthellae
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- NANFA Member
- North Carolina
Posted 02 November 2016 - 01:02 PM
Is the hatchery producing these as a "strain" or is this just an occasional mutation that pops up?
I can imagine the koi pond marketers pushing these as koi-cats or something.
I encountered one in the wild a few years ago while I was doing creel sampling on Brice's Creek (Trent river, Croatan National Forest). I wonder if it is just an occasional mutation?
#6
strat guy
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- NANFA Guest
- Orland Park, IL
Posted 02 November 2016 - 07:01 PM
I'm guessing it's a mutation. Channels normally get faint spots on them so it's not so crazy to assume every now and then one gets too many spots and it ends up looking like this. Not sure where this guy picked it up, but I assume he pulled it from one of his ponds.
120 low tech native planted - Blackstriped Topminnow, Central Stoneroller, Fathead minnow, Golden Shiner, Black chin shiner, Carmine Shiner, Emerald Shiner, Sand Shiner, Spotfin Shiner, Orangethroat darter, Johnny Darter, and Banded Darter.
#7
strat guy
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- NANFA Guest
- Orland Park, IL
Posted 02 November 2016 - 08:01 PM
Just got a response from him:
The "marbled" catfish in the photo and some others similar are part of the hatchery brood stock. He was spawned last year with three "marbled" females, and some of their offspring will be kept for broodstock.
The male in my cover photo and the female in this photo I called "super marbles" because they had more pattern than most of the other "marbles" I have seen. I have seen about 30 out of 20 million I have raised. The frequency increased after I spawned one with some normal about seven years ago. (so some of the heterozygous offspring must have been used as broodstock) This year I spawned the two "super marbles" and got about 10,000 sac fry. About one quarter were pales, and died before swim-up. They must have had a lethal recessive gene combination. I have never seen that. I kept 23 of the offspring. none look marbled yet, but about 1/4 of the spawn (counting the quarter that died) are a mottle dark color, nearly black.
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120 low tech native planted - Blackstriped Topminnow, Central Stoneroller, Fathead minnow, Golden Shiner, Black chin shiner, Carmine Shiner, Emerald Shiner, Sand Shiner, Spotfin Shiner, Orangethroat darter, Johnny Darter, and Banded Darter.
#8
Moontanman
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- NANFA Member
Posted 03 November 2016 - 12:35 PM
WOW! Establishing a line that breeds true would open up the possibility of catfish as variable as Koi! Love to have a few fingerlings.. I have caught gold channel cats..
Michael
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#9
strat guy
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- NANFA Guest
- Orland Park, IL
Posted 04 November 2016 - 08:10 PM
He posted some other pictures of weird channels he bred. One type he called ghost channels, which looked like normal ones but were really dark, another he called bandit channels, which looked like they were wearing a mask, and he also had a golden strain of flathead catfish which were pretty awesome looking.
120 low tech native planted - Blackstriped Topminnow, Central Stoneroller, Fathead minnow, Golden Shiner, Black chin shiner, Carmine Shiner, Emerald Shiner, Sand Shiner, Spotfin Shiner, Orangethroat darter, Johnny Darter, and Banded Darter.
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Moontanman
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Posted 05 November 2016 - 11:44 AM
He posted some other pictures of weird channels he bred. One type he called ghost channels, which looked like normal ones but were really dark, another he called bandit channels, which looked like they were wearing a mask, and he also had a golden strain of flathead catfish which were pretty awesome looking.
Is there any way these will become available at some point!?
Michael
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#11
strat guy
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- NANFA Guest
- Orland Park, IL
Posted 05 November 2016 - 02:17 PM
I dunno, he said he's retired so maybe not. He worked at a hatchery not a tropical fish farm, so I'm not sure how much of what he was doing involves the aquarium trade. More for pond stocking, methinks.
120 low tech native planted - Blackstriped Topminnow, Central Stoneroller, Fathead minnow, Golden Shiner, Black chin shiner, Carmine Shiner, Emerald Shiner, Sand Shiner, Spotfin Shiner, Orangethroat darter, Johnny Darter, and Banded Darter.
#12
Moontanman
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- NANFA Member
Posted 05 November 2016 - 03:39 PM
I dunno, he said he's retired so maybe not. He worked at a hatchery not a tropical fish farm, so I'm not sure how much of what he was doing involves the aquarium trade. More for pond stocking, methinks.
Oh well opportunities missed I guess!
Michael
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Love is the poetry of life
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