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#1 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 06:04 PM

Hi i have a 55 gallon tank and I want to stock it with native fish. As of right now I have 4 darters in the tank but I dont know what species they are. I also have 1 crawdad. Thanks.

#2 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:33 PM

Soon you will have a larger crayfish.
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#3 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:35 PM

Soon you will have a larger crayfish.


Hes already pretty big probably 3 inches. Which is about as big as they get here.

Edited by Gavin Chalmers, 15 September 2018 - 08:36 PM.


#4 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:37 PM

Im trying to imply that it will eat your darters. I have had bad experiences with crayfish and strongly recommend against including them in aquaria.
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#5 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:39 PM

Im trying to imply that it will eat your darters. I have had bad experiences with crayfish and strongly recommend against including them in aquaria.


Hmm. My darters are pretty close to his size.

#6 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:41 PM

Fish sleep. Crayfish have claws and wander around in the dark.
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#7 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:48 PM

Fish sleep. Crayfish have claws and wander around in the dark.


Yeah. You don’t think a darter could out run a crawdad though.

#8 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 11:51 AM

Yes, the darters are faster, but if the opportunity presents itself, the crayfish will gladly eat fish. You can decide if the risk is worth the reward.


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#9 littlen

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 08:23 AM

This is blasphemy!

(Since you're new here, I'll let you know that I <3 darters). 


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#10 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 08:51 AM

This is blasphemy!

(Since you're new here, I'll let you know that I <3 darters).


What?

#11 mattknepley

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 04:58 PM

Littlen is teasing that it is impossible to think anything could be better at anything than a darter. Except maybe for a lame Redline Darter. Those things are useless...

(More teasing. Redlines are Littlen's favorite.)

As for my experience, I kept crays with my fish without concern. Then I found half of my best Christmas darter with a gash a good ways through it. Never found the other half. I no longer mix crays and any fish I am partial to. That said, they are pretty dang cool critters and I can see having a couple small cray only tanks...
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#12 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 05:01 PM

Littlen is teasing that it is impossible to think anything could be better at anything than a darter. Except maybe for a lame Redline Darter. Those things are useless...(More teasing. Redlines are Littlen's favorite.)As for my experience, I kept crays with my fish without concern. Then I found half of my best Christmas darter with a gash a good ways through it. Never found the other half. I no longer mix crays and any fish I am partial to. That said, they are pretty dang cool critters and I can see having a couple small cray only tanks...


Oh, yeah I guess I’ll take the crawdad out when I get home. Any suggestions on what other fish I should add to the tank.

And also how many darters would I be able to put in a 55 gallon without aggression.

#13 littlen

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 07:54 AM

Littlen is teasing that it is impossible to think anything could be better at anything than a darter. Except maybe for a lame Redline Darter. Those things are useless...
 

 

You broke my heart, Fraedo.  You broke my heart.

To contribute useful info to the post, I too have kept inverts and fish together.  Those with claws usually win out if kept with small fish.  If they are easily replaceable (which a Redline should NEVER be thought of as!) then keep your community as you wish.  After all, that's part of the food chain in the creeks where you're catching the animals.  Have fun with it.  Post a picture of your tank if you'd like.


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#14 Josh Blaylock

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 03:54 PM

I don't want to be that stick in the mud, but it's never a good idea to bring home fish you cannot properly identify. 

 

Grab a Peterson's Field Guide, 2nd ed, used from Amazon, it's a great help.  Also, you can narrow down your fish's identity by visiting fishmap.org 


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#15 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 04:03 PM

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I have two of those darters, and I think the other two darters are Jonny darters or greenside darters but they dont have any green on them so I dont know.

#16 Gavin Chalmers

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 02:57 PM

Can I mix any of these species together? Everglades pygmy sunfish, blackbanded sunfish, bluespotted sunfish, and dollar sunfish.

#17 mattknepley

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 04:20 PM

I have kept Blackbandeds and Bluespots together just fine. Dollars have a reputation for being nasty to, well, everything.
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#18 littlen

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 06:58 AM

The two most common set ups for that size tank are:

 

1-community tank with local shiners & darters.

2-'community' tank with Lepomis species.  I use the term lightly because you will be able to keep just a few in a 55-especially for some of the larger species.  Dollars may not be the best bet.  I tried to keep 5-6 in a 150 long ago with heavy tank decor and they still hammered each other.  Now, loading that many into a smaller tank could possibly reduce some aggressive tendencies (think, African cichlids) but that's not very natural IMO.  And that is what a lot of the native fish keepers are going for, right?


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