Etheostoma simoterum
#1 Guest_TomNear_*
Posted 11 May 2007 - 03:00 PM
#2 Guest_blakemarkwell_*
Posted 14 December 2008 - 08:03 PM
Second off, I apologize for bringing up such an old topic. However, I have been reading Powers and Mayden 2007: Systematics, Evolution, and Biogeography of the Etheostoma simoterum Species Complex, and I have a few questions.
It seems that the simoterum complex is getting quite confusing. However, according to this paper and the pictures the picture you posted Tom would be Etheostoma tennesseeense. I am just curious if that is Etheostoma tennesseense then where in Tennessee can Etheostoma simoterum be found?
Because the paper with its map distributions only shows Etheostoma simoterum in VA. I know they did not sample every watershed, creek, river, etc.... but can anyone shed some light on this? Ben, Dave, Todd, Tom, or anyone else!
I am not trying to understand the whole entirety of this paper, however, what does affect me is where certain species are found and others are not. I will be heading to Tennessee sometime this spring and would like to get a handle on the snubnoses distribution before I go so that I can expect what species from what watershed.
Thanks ahead of time,
Blake
#3 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 15 December 2008 - 04:20 PM
Tom post the photo prior to the publication.
Are you sure you're looking at the right thing? Figure 2 shows all 6 species distributions and each species description is very detailed, even geographically with road crossings for each species holotype of the newly described.
Mmmmm..... Jimmie Roberts Road.
Todd
#4 Guest_blakemarkwell_*
Posted 15 December 2008 - 04:30 PM
Thanks,
Blake
#5 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:21 AM
Short answer is... If you're looking for simoterum, head up to the forks of the Holston or Watuga, it's a pretty continuous distribution in its habitats. That's where it's at, and you won't mistake them for tennessense when they're in color in the spring. There's TVA structures inbetwixt the two species on all forks at a minimum, so it should be pretty easy to keep track of (well, with the my one time experience with them up there with Ranger Bob before we got run off from the North Fork lol)
If you want to know where along the Holston below Kingsport you might get them, or where / if it intergrades... That's Dave Neely material, I'm afraid. So we'll have to see if he pokes in.
Hope this is a better answer. My last post probably didn't read very nice, sorry about that. I was doing too many things at once while dreaming about Jimmie Roberts Road
Todd
#6 Guest_blakemarkwell_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:32 PM
Your previous post read fine, I knows its sometimes hard to interject inflection and so forth in typing, therefore I never take anything too harshly over the net.
That is going to be quite a bit out of our way this spring, so its looks like that is one less snubnose I will get to see this spring.
Oh well, mabey next spring, so many fish to see and so little time to see them with the time frames schooling allows.
Blake
Edited by blakemarkwell, 16 December 2008 - 12:36 PM.
#7 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:58 PM
Todd
#8 Guest_blakemarkwell_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:04 PM
I have began to map out some spots that Lance and I will be hitting this spring and so far we should see the following Ulocentra:
Etheostoma atripinne
Etheostoma baileyi
Etheostoma barrenense
Etheostoma duryi
Etheostoma etnieri
Etheostoma flavum
Etheostoma occidentale
Etheostoma orientale
Etheostoma planasaxatile
Etheostoma rafinesquei
Etheostoma tenneseense
I love Ulocentra (as you can probably tell ), and hopefully since we will be there in the middle of March we should see some nuptial males!
Blake
#9 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:11 PM
Todd
#10 Guest_dsmith73_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:15 PM
Etheostoma baileyi
Etheostoma barrenense
Etheostoma flavum
Etheostoma planasaxatile
Etheostoma rafinesquei
Etheostoma tenneseense
Some were just into KY. Let me know if you need spots.
#11 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:10 PM
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