Posted 06 August 2007 - 10:25 PM
Posted 06 August 2007 - 10:33 PM
Posted 06 August 2007 - 10:46 PM
In fact after counting spiny, and soft dorsal rays on all of these photos, and referring to fishes of tenn. It makes them all copelandi, if we are only considering sciera, copelandi, and schumardi.
Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:02 PM
Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:43 PM
Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:25 PM
Nope we blew those pics.
Stab in the dark here but did anyone get a pic of the throat and belly???? Thats the only thing thats missing that would make me really want to say copelandi on that second set of fish....First I still really think are schumardi..
I believe those fish are channel darter. I am still lost on the first. It by counts cannot be a river.
The first darter, I was stuck on percina for a while, but I am not sure that it is not a heavy pigmented female tippecanoe at this point. We did find two males
Posted 07 August 2007 - 10:50 PM
Posted 08 August 2007 - 03:27 PM
I looked at this breifly last night and i kinda thought that looked awfully Etheostomaish but I was pretty sleepy and wasn't too sure what I was thinking. After looking at it again I'm thinking it could very well be a female Tippecanoe. That dark saddle may just be some sort of injury mark or something. Hard to say for sure though. I would definitely like to here what Dave has to say on this one...
Okay, new info... In looking at my newly acquired copy of Freshwater Fishes of Virginia which came to me through the most random of ways (I have a new "take everywhere" book), I think it can be said confidently that the first fish is in fact a female Tippie.
I still stand by sciera on the second fish, until Dr. Dave says no
Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:02 AM
I think Todd's right on both, though it would be a big tippie. Caudal peduncle on the first fish is mighty deep for a Percina, and the pale areas on the cp base suggest a Nothonotus...
sorry for the slow reply, I've been kicking around Yunnan and haven't had consistent net access. I'm leaving Gongshan tomorrow for a couple weeks of fish collecting in the Dulong Valley - a remote, sparsely inhabited valley in the Irrawaddy drainage on the border between China and Myanmar, so I'll be out of touch for a while.
Todd, congrats on getting Jenks' book, it's a real gem. Supposedly ~1000 pages of additional anecdotal info and meristic tables got cut out by the editor, would LOVE to have the original copy that went to the editor!!
Posted 19 August 2007 - 07:40 PM
Uland, can you post or link us to a full size photo?
Posted 19 August 2007 - 08:15 PM
Posted 20 August 2007 - 06:26 PM
Posted 20 August 2007 - 08:08 PM
We gettin' anywhere?
Posted 20 August 2007 - 08:20 PM
Posted 20 August 2007 - 08:31 PM
No, I want this to be a channel. Worse comes to worse, you guys should just let it be a channel, just for me.
This regional variant shall now be known as P. sciera var. copelandi [De La Vega].
Will that do?
Posted 20 August 2007 - 09:49 PM
Posted 21 August 2007 - 07:37 AM
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