Can chubs be kept with fish that use their nests as host nests? For instance, could I keep bluehead chubs with yellowfin shiners, SRBD, etc?
Chubs And Their Nest Parasites
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:52 AM
It depends on what your goal is. I've kept 6 stonerollers and 20+ mrbd in a 75g and the tank was packed and I was doing weekly 50% water changes. I would advise getting stonerollers while they are small as the larger ones are really skittish in tanks.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:31 AM
Well, I have a 30 and a 55. I want to set up a stream tank where the stonerollers or bluehead chubs would breed and in turn the shiners/dace/etc. would breed in the nest. I just think it would be kind of cool to set up a tank where the minnows could breed naturally.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 12:17 PM
Probably a decent time to get some people looking at my website overhaul. I've tried to get my webstuff as organized as possible, so now I can just send a link 
If you look on this page: http://www.farmertodd.com/aquaria.asp I have some video of chubs and their associates in aquaria about half way down in the native fishes section.
There'll be a lot more coming, and I'll o-fish-ally announce it when it's ready, been proofread etc. But I thought this would be one way to get folks looking there.
If you keep them fed, they aren't any threat to other fishes. I would start with juvenile chubs, however. Big dominant males are spooky. And I found that by starting with a 6 pack, I ended up with a matched pair. It wasn't until that pair was the only Nocomis in the tank that the male began building nests.
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If you look on this page: http://www.farmertodd.com/aquaria.asp I have some video of chubs and their associates in aquaria about half way down in the native fishes section.
There'll be a lot more coming, and I'll o-fish-ally announce it when it's ready, been proofread etc. But I thought this would be one way to get folks looking there.
If you keep them fed, they aren't any threat to other fishes. I would start with juvenile chubs, however. Big dominant males are spooky. And I found that by starting with a 6 pack, I ended up with a matched pair. It wasn't until that pair was the only Nocomis in the tank that the male began building nests.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 12:22 PM
IMO, you will want something larger like a 75g as a minimum. This is what I attempted with the stonerollers and mrbd. Unfortunately my MRBD ratio is off and the stonerollers never got comfortable in that tank.
I know what you are after, but it may not be worth the effort. I've pretty much abandoned trying this method with mine as I've been informed MRBD will spawn without host fish. I instead plan on moving them outside next year so they get a natural photo period and temperature change.
I know what you are after, but it may not be worth the effort. I've pretty much abandoned trying this method with mine as I've been informed MRBD will spawn without host fish. I instead plan on moving them outside next year so they get a natural photo period and temperature change.
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Posted 11 August 2007 - 02:47 PM
Hey fishlvr
my experience is a littl different that what drewish has had... creek chubs will be rough on your minnows... they are agressive and tend to eat smaller fish. Blueheads are very different in temperment and eating habits. I kept both in a 75 gallon tank full of guppies and was losing guppies at a pretty decent rate... removed the creekchub and that stopped.
And to answer your orginigal question... YES... it is the perfect combination for a georgia native fish keeper like you and I. Bluehed and yellowfins... throw in a Cyprinella of you local variety... they can be rough on the yellowfins so don't put in too many... My 75 had 2 blueheads, 5 fiery blacks, 9 or so yeloowfins, with assorted tourquoise and swamp darters on the bottom... this is a great tank and I get minimal agression.
Although I do agree that this all works much better if the chubs and cyprinella are smaller to start with... chubs less than 5 inches, and cyprinella that are more the size of the yellowfins.
Michael Wolfe
100 plus is too hot for fish!
my experience is a littl different that what drewish has had... creek chubs will be rough on your minnows... they are agressive and tend to eat smaller fish. Blueheads are very different in temperment and eating habits. I kept both in a 75 gallon tank full of guppies and was losing guppies at a pretty decent rate... removed the creekchub and that stopped.
And to answer your orginigal question... YES... it is the perfect combination for a georgia native fish keeper like you and I. Bluehed and yellowfins... throw in a Cyprinella of you local variety... they can be rough on the yellowfins so don't put in too many... My 75 had 2 blueheads, 5 fiery blacks, 9 or so yeloowfins, with assorted tourquoise and swamp darters on the bottom... this is a great tank and I get minimal agression.
Although I do agree that this all works much better if the chubs and cyprinella are smaller to start with... chubs less than 5 inches, and cyprinella that are more the size of the yellowfins.
Michael Wolfe
100 plus is too hot for fish!
Can chubs be kept with fish that use their nests as host nests? For instance, could I keep bluehead chubs with yellowfin shiners, SRBD, etc?
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Posted 11 August 2007 - 09:34 PM
Hey fishlvr
my experience is a littl different that what drewish has had... creek chubs will be rough on your minnows... they are agressive and tend to eat smaller fish. Blueheads are very different in temperment and eating habits. I kept both in a 75 gallon tank full of guppies and was losing guppies at a pretty decent rate... removed the creekchub and that stopped.
And to answer your orginigal question... YES... it is the perfect combination for a georgia native fish keeper like you and I. Bluehed and yellowfins... throw in a Cyprinella of you local variety... they can be rough on the yellowfins so don't put in too many... My 75 had 2 blueheads, 5 fiery blacks, 9 or so yeloowfins, with assorted tourquoise and swamp darters on the bottom... this is a great tank and I get minimal agression.
Although I do agree that this all works much better if the chubs and cyprinella are smaller to start with... chubs less than 5 inches, and cyprinella that are more the size of the yellowfins.
Michael Wolfe
100 plus is too hot for fish!
Thanks. I think I'm going to do blueheads and yellowfins. Can a pair of blueheads do good in a 30, or will that be too small? How big do they get?
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Posted 12 August 2007 - 08:38 PM
Of course it all has to do with square footage, not gallons... I have some 35 glalon breeder tanks... 3 feet long 18 inches front to back... not very deep... but these could hold a pair...
So it really depends on the size of the tank...
As far as the fish... 6 maybe 7 inches is a pretty common adult size...
So it really depends on the size of the tank...
As far as the fish... 6 maybe 7 inches is a pretty common adult size...
Thanks. I think I'm going to do blueheads and yellowfins. Can a pair of blueheads do good in a 30, or will that be too small? How big do they get?
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 09:37 PM
I like to use a powerhead to create a strong current... but killier is right that too much wattage in the powerhead can create heat... I use powerheads more on the tanks in the basement which I know will stay pretty cool anyway... But you can't really provide too much current for the fish, they will thrive in the current...
Ok. Thanks. Are there any suggestions on what powerhead to use or how fast the water should be moving?
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