Tn The Really Central Part
#1 Guest_killier_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 07:26 PM
found
Redline darters
Rainbow darters
TN snubnoses
Roseyface shiners
central Longears
monsquito fish (is this eastern or western?)
Commmon carp(cought a good 8 pounder with my dipnet!!!)
and a few others I'm forgeting
Also more of a question to farmertodd what is one of the more unsual traits to id ashy darters my field quide is at a loss to that species
#2 Guest_ashtonmj_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 07:36 PM
#3 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 08:34 PM
These are extremely hard to capture fish that are found in extremely hard to work habitat that you have to have foreknowledge of, and a netting technique that works exactly with the situation. Chances are most likely that you didn't catch one.
There's a pic of a huge male in the Quick Trip TN thread, and Uland just post a great pic of a juvenile in the Kentucky thread.
Todd
#4 Guest_killier_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 08:40 PM
btw I found some sooty darters would it be ok to catch photo release? I know they are only native to here in wilson county so I was wondering about that
#7 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 09:33 PM
#9 Guest_daveneely_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 10:19 PM
Is Etheostoma atripinne considered to be a species rather than a population within another snubnose species? I have the paper by Ray Bouchard describing the species from the 1980s but I've never gotten a clear handle on the consensus of its status.
E. atripinne is valid, albeit in slightly restricted form.
Steve Powers just finished a very comprehensive revision of the snubnose darters of the Tennessee and Cumberland drainages (attached). We'd be lucky if a quarter of the recent systematic work was as thorough as his stuff.
Enjoy.
Attached Files
#10 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 21 November 2007 - 11:12 PM
Tyler is gonna be pissed he paid $20 for this at SFC. Bernie was hawkin' them. Although it did have a nice guide to the mussels of the Mobile. I assume this is what Michael Gangloff was talking about on Unio the other day too. Still, I better not razz Tyler too much, so I can get a photocopy lol
Todd
#11 Guest_ashtonmj_*
Posted 22 November 2007 - 08:40 AM
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh soooo many splits! What is in the Roaring River then, atripinne or orientale??? It's right between the two distributions and blank. I'm kinda suprised stuff in the lower TN is the same as the middle. What I was finding in the lower Paint Rock River (AL) looked very different than say around Knoxville. Hmmm the Holston is simoterum and then (the New?) that population in VA too?!?! HUH! Thanks for the paper Dave.
I find splitting to be really confounding and probably frustrating for mussel host identification. All these studies and now the host could be something "different". If a mussel were to be across the range of multipe "new" species and the assumption was made that all of previous species X served as a host but it was only tested from one drainage it really now requires those "new" species to be tested for host suitablity. The more I think about possible situations where this is relevant the more come to mind too.
#12 Guest_killier_*
Posted 22 November 2007 - 04:34 PM
rainbow darters
fantail darters
sooty darters
cumberland snubnose
blackstripe(spot???) topminnows
Studfish(northern or southern?)
mystery shiners 2 different species
and
a madtom
well that rounds up another great day here in the really central part of TN
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