Here are the photos, sorry they are such poor quality:
Also, here is a link to a thread I created on another site, which has some more pictures and more info on the fish:
http://www.fishprofi...36267.1.htm?11#
Thanks for any help.
Some type of sunfish?
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 04:08 PM
I found a little sunfish (I think that's what he is) in with a shipment of goldfish, and I've been unable to find out what he is. He is about 2cm long and completely transparent with vertical banding on his body. He has an elongated shape like a bass or Green Sunfish, but a very small mouth compared to those species. I was wondering if anyone could confirm that it is indeed a sunfish, and possibly (this is a stretch) narrow it down to a certain species or species-complex. I am in California, but I think the goldfish were farm-raised in Florida, as have found fish like Bluefin Killies and catfish in with them in years past.
Here are the photos, sorry they are such poor quality:
Also, here is a link to a thread I created on another site, which has some more pictures and more info on the fish:
http://www.fishprofi...36267.1.htm?11#
Thanks for any help.
Here are the photos, sorry they are such poor quality:
Also, here is a link to a thread I created on another site, which has some more pictures and more info on the fish:
http://www.fishprofi...36267.1.htm?11#
Thanks for any help.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 04:15 PM
Without better pictures it will be very hard to ID. Also update your location information.I found a little sunfish (I think that's what he is) in with a shipment of goldfish, and I've been unable to find out what he is. He is about 2cm long and completely transparent with vertical banding on his body. He has an elongated shape like a bass or Green Sunfish, but a very small mouth compared to those species. I was wondering if anyone could confirm that it is indeed a sunfish, and possibly (this is a stretch) narrow it down to a certain species or species-complex. I am in California, but I think the goldfish were farm-raised in Florida, as have found fish like Bluefin Killies and catfish in with them in years past.
Thanks for any help.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 04:22 PM
Looks like either a bluegill or a redbreast. Are the vertical bars on the side kind of pinkish/orangish?
I'm leaning a little more towards bluegill because in the third picture there looks like there's a black spot on the soft dorsal.
I'm leaning a little more towards bluegill because in the third picture there looks like there's a black spot on the soft dorsal.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 05:28 PM
The only reason I mentioned redbreast is because bars look single. Bluegill are double-barred.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 06:09 PM
Those pictures are totally unclear, and therefore inconclusive. However, in the bottom picture, I believe that I see a black spot at the rear base of the dorsal fin. That suggests bluegill or green sunfish. Since you say the mouth is too small to be green sunfish, then bluegill.
Just the same, is there a black spot at the rear base of the anal fin? If so, then green sunfish. It looks more elongated like a green. Are there tiny black specks on the side, like somebody sprinkled pepper on it? I don't mean blackspot disease, these will be finer spots. They are indicative of a green sunfish. At this small size, however, their absence does not mean that it isn't a green. I'm inclined to go with green because of the elongation. Also, I've seen greens come in with feeders, and heard other reports of this also. I've never heard (at least that I can recall) of a bluegill coming in with the feeders. Of course that doesn't prove that it's not a bluegill.
It's definitely a bluegill or a green sunfish. Look for the specks and the anal fin spot.
Just the same, is there a black spot at the rear base of the anal fin? If so, then green sunfish. It looks more elongated like a green. Are there tiny black specks on the side, like somebody sprinkled pepper on it? I don't mean blackspot disease, these will be finer spots. They are indicative of a green sunfish. At this small size, however, their absence does not mean that it isn't a green. I'm inclined to go with green because of the elongation. Also, I've seen greens come in with feeders, and heard other reports of this also. I've never heard (at least that I can recall) of a bluegill coming in with the feeders. Of course that doesn't prove that it's not a bluegill.
It's definitely a bluegill or a green sunfish. Look for the specks and the anal fin spot.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 08:15 PM
I agree with you, Ed.
I still lean towards bluegill because I've seen young ones that are just as elongate.
Maybe it's a... HYBRID!!!
I still lean towards bluegill because I've seen young ones that are just as elongate.
Maybe it's a... HYBRID!!!
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 11:08 PM
So it seems the general consensus is that it's a Bluegill, eh?
The vertical bars are, as far as I can tell, black in color.Are the vertical bars on the side kind of pinkish/orangish?
The fish is not currently in my posession, but I don't recall seeing any black spot on the anal fin. I'll be able to check on the fish to be sure in a couple days.Just the same, is there a black spot at the rear base of the anal fin? If so, then green sunfish. It looks more elongated like a green.
The only black dots I see on it are the chromatophores that make up the vertical bands on the fish, which I don't think is what you are talking about. I don't see any other markings on it, but then again, the 3" Green Sunfish I keep (also came in with feeder goldfish) does not seem to have black dots on it either.Are there tiny black specks on the side, like somebody sprinkled pepper on it? I don't mean blackspot disease, these will be finer spots.
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 01:05 AM
Look more closely. I bet you'll see them.... but then again, the 3" Green Sunfish I keep (also came in with feeder goldfish) does not seem to have black dots on it either.
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 01:06 AM
Bluegill. That settles it. There will be no further discussion.
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 07:50 AM
Irate has spoken!Bluegill. That settles it. There will be no further discussion.
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 01:31 PM
It does appear to be a bluegill but the pictures make it difficult to be sure.
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 02:19 PM
No more discussion, HAH!
Sunfish are hard to ID when they are this little. To my eye, this is definitely NOT a green. Blugill most likely. This looks a lot like juvenile pumkinseeds that I have seen. (Maybe those were bluegills too!)
Sunfish are hard to ID when they are this little. To my eye, this is definitely NOT a green. Blugill most likely. This looks a lot like juvenile pumkinseeds that I have seen. (Maybe those were bluegills too!)
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 02:33 PM
It looks like a juvenile Blur (Blurrius photographicus) to me.
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 06:59 PM
bluegill I have goten sunnies like that from goldfish tanks the greens looked more roundish to me and I see the dorsal spot
and tom
they changed the latin name of the blurr last week
come one how can you be so far behind
and tom
they changed the latin name of the blurr last week
come one how can you be so far behind
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Posted 18 December 2007 - 07:44 PM
Yeah now it's:they changed the latin name of the blurr last week
Lepomis blurryensis
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