pumpkinseed/bluegill hybrid picture?

Does anyone has a picture of Pumpkinseed x Bluegill hybrid? Because I caught a freaky colored sunfish from a nearby lake may be hybrid, I will try to get some best picture of the blue roan sunfish. I have it in my 30gal tank. Also I saw a "koi" sunfish in the waterway as it has dark splotches on the light colored body. Failed to capture the koi sunfish but this lake have lots of weird colored sunfish. I've caught a roan pumpkinseed from this lake in past but I gave it away to some people. Does washed out sunfish (any type) still have bars on it? I don't really think my blue sunfish are under stress as it hasn't change it colors since I put it in the heavy "planted" tank for a week.

I am interested in seeing a pic of your blue sunny. I have yet to catch another one for use as a specimen. The spawn should start this week, hopefully I can get another. I caught another weird fish the other day, it looked like a Pumpkinseed, but it has a large mouth on it, kind of like a Pumpkin/green cross.

Here it is.



Jeremy

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whole body of "blue sunfish"

I would say that first pic is a green/pumpkinseed cross. The second pic looks to me like a washed out pure bluegill.

See the light blue on the bottom of dorsal fin? And this sunfish has lighter colored mask. All sunfish in my area are in breeding season and what sex is my blue sunfish is? It doesn't look like washed out sunfish as it has bars as it hasn't change its colors for a week. So are this hybrid or freakish colored bluegill? The water where the blue sunfish come from, is little murky but still clear. This blue sunfish is 6".

See the light blue on the bottom of dorsal fin? And this sunfish has lighter colored mask. All sunfish in my area are in breeding season and what sex is my blue sunfish is? It doesn't look like washed out sunfish as it has bars as it hasn't change its colors for a week. So are this hybrid or freakish colored bluegill? The water where the blue sunfish come from, is little murky but still clear. This blue sunfish is 6".

Light blue near the dorsal fin and a lighter colored "mask" aren't identifiable characteristics of any sunfish species. Coloration is often unique between individual fish not to mention that it changes frequently, hence why it is not always a good tool in fish identification. It has all of the characteristics of a stressed and washed out bluegill. The pectoral fin looks like a bluegill's, the dark spot on the dorsal is that of a bluegill's. The vertical bars, body shape, opercule. Its all bluegill, I see no characteristics that would make me think this fish has any other species mixed into it's bloodline. I think you're looking into it a bit too much.

Im 100% sure that this is not washed out bluegill, just strange colored bluegill. And it was same color when the blue sunfish was in the waterway.

Im 100% sure that this is not washed out bluegill, just strange colored bluegill. And it was same color when the blue sunfish was in the waterway.

Butch,

Not evidence for your fish but mine can become constantly blanched or almost black when eyes (usually both) are damaged.

Then why my sunfish is still blue? Its eyes wasn't damaged. The rest of bluegill I caught with the blue sunfish were brownish/green colored (all sizes). My sunfish were never bleached. I fed it with earthworms, guppies, ghost shrimp and bait minnows and still hasn't changed its color. But I do know when the sunfish has one or both of its eyes are damaged, cause half masked or huge blotched on half area of face as I've seen them at the dock. Is this bluegill a odd colored or diseased?

Then why my sunfish is still blue? Its eyes wasn't damaged. The rest of bluegill I caught with the blue sunfish were brownish/green colored (all sizes). My sunfish were never bleached. I fed it with earthworms, guppies, ghost shrimp and bait minnows and still hasn't changed its color. But I do know when the sunfish has one or both of its eyes are damaged, cause half masked or huge blotched on half area of face as I've seen them at the dock. Is this bluegill a odd colored or diseased?

Depends upon what is meant by odd colored. Coloration can be typical short term changes bluegill and most other sunfishes are very capable of, the result of some sort of disfigurement (injury or disease) or even genetic (sport / mutation / hybrid / not what we think it is) in origin. Since your fish maintains the lighter coloration it likely one of the latter two. It is hard to distiguish disfigurement from genetics without doing some breeding test to see if coloration present in offspring. Otherwise, I do not think we have enough information to determine what your bluegill's condition is.

I'd guess the first fish is a gibossus X cyanellus cross. Does it have any kind of a margin or band at the edge of the caudal fin? I tend to think the second fish is a bluegill, but hard to say for sure.

Depends upon what is meant by odd colored. Coloration can be typical short term changes bluegill and most other sunfishes are very capable of, the result of some sort of disfigurement (injury or disease) or even genetic (sport / mutation / hybrid / not what we think it is) in origin. Since your fish maintains the lighter coloration it likely one of the latter two. It is hard to distiguish disfigurement from genetics without doing some breeding test to see if coloration present in offspring. Otherwise, I do not think we have enough information to determine what your bluegill's condition is.

I'd guess the first fish is a gibossus X cyanellus cross. Does it have any kind of a margin or band at the edge of the caudal fin? I tend to think the second fish is a bluegill, but hard to say for sure.

Bob yes it did have a margin just like a green sunny does.

J.

Do warmouth occur in the same body of from which the hybrid was obtained?

Do warmouth occur in the same body of from which the hybrid was obtained?

No they do not. There are only Bluegill, Green sunnies, and Pumpkinseeds.

J.

First fish looks like a green too me

first picture looks like a green x a pumpkinseed and second looks like a bluegill