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can warmouth and green sunfish be found in New York?

Started by Guest_magnummissle_* , Oct 26 2008 12:42 PM

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#1 Guest_magnummissle_*

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 12:42 PM

all i seem to find are bluegill and bass

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#2 Guest_fishlvr_*

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 01:20 PM

I don't think warmouth are very common in any of the New England states (New York is one isn't it?). Not sure about greens.

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#3 Guest_magnummissle_*

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 04:07 PM

yeah when i was in the army in colorado i would catch them all the time but not in ny

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#4 Guest_jimv8673_*

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 05:10 PM

all i seem to find are bluegill and bass

Seems like the most previlant species in New York are, Bluegills, Pumpkinseed Sunfish, Rock Bass, White Bass, White Perch, Yellow Perch, and maybe a few oddballs but warmouth, and greens are not available there. Paul at Sachs Aquaculture has warmouth listed now and i think Brian at Zimmermans has greens maybe. The punkin seeds if you can find them are a beautiful sunfish.

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#5 Guest_keepnatives_*

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 11:28 PM

all i seem to find are bluegill and bass

They are reportedly found but are not native, rather introduced. I have found green sunfish in a tributary of the Genesee River outside Geneseo. Not familiar with locations for Warmouth

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#6 Guest_JakeLevi_*

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 01:21 PM

I have caught warmouth both upriver and downriver in the Allegany neaar Salamanca NY. The Allegany River winds down through Pa to join up with the Ohio River.

So they have been found in NY for at least fifty years.

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#7 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:13 PM

I think both are native to the Alleghenny and Lake Erie drainage so it seems they should be around. You are getting on the fringes of their native range but I do beleive they are native to a portion of the state.

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#8 Guest_sandtiger_*

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Posted 29 October 2008 - 10:59 PM

Greens live in NY but aren't particularly common and their range seems sort of scattered. I catch them on the Northern end of Cayuga lake. Warmouth are introduced and only live in a couple creeks near the southern end of the Hudson river.

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#9 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 10:42 PM

Warmouth would be native in a small part of the SW part of the state along the Lake Erie shoreline. I Don't know the area but if there are any vegetated marshes along the lake or at least in the Lake Erie drainage there should be some (or at least at one time). They are also frequently found in natural lakes but again i do not know if any exist in that portion of the state. It is the very fringe of their range though and it is doubtful that they were ever common there. After looking into this closer they likely never were native to any other part of the state but as with many Lepomis sp. undoubtedly have been introduced else where.

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 11:44 PM

Warmouth would be native in a small part of the SW part of the state along the Lake Erie shoreline. I Don't know the area but if there are any vegetated marshes along the lake or at least in the Lake Erie drainage there should be some (or at least at one time). They are also frequently found in natural lakes but again i do not know if any exist in that portion of the state. It is the very fringe of their range though and it is doubtful that they were ever common there. After looking into this closer they likely never were native to any other part of the state but as with many Lepomis sp. undoubtedly have been introduced else where.

C. Lavett Smith's book "The Inland Fishes of NY State" only lists the introduced populations in the lower Hudson.

The book reads as follows.

"In New York, it (warmouth) is an introduced species with surviving but apparently not spreading, populations in Woodbury Creek in Orange County and the Saw Kill in Dutchess County"

Cornell's NY fishes site doesn't include warmouth at all.
http://pond.dnr.corn...trarchidae.html

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#11 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:57 PM

It may very well be the case that they never were found in the NY waters of Lake Erie but they are in the lake to this day in low numbers. I suspect before man drained a lot of the wetlands along the lake's shore they would have been more common since they seem to be one sunfish that is somewhat habitat specific. I would find it hard to believe, at least historically, that it wouldn't have been possible for an occasional specimen to be captured on the eastern end of the lake.