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Notropis sp. "sawfin"

Started by Guest_blakemarkwell_* , Dec 18 2008 11:05 PM

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#1 Guest_blakemarkwell_*

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 11:05 PM

I am just curious if Notropis sp. "sawfin" has been given a species name?

It has been sp. "sawfin" for atleast 16 years to my knowledge, mabey longer?

I do not understand the time involved; some species get elevated and named in a short time frame, while others go on as essenitally "undescribed" for a very long time frame like sawfin.

I am sure there are some elements in play that I do not understand. It bothers me for some reason, its just more convient if something has a species name and not to mention this is one of my favorite Notropis.

Thanks,

Blake

Edited by blakemarkwell, 18 December 2008 - 11:07 PM.

#2 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:00 AM

Nope, it's still "sawfin". I'm not certain, but part of the problem here might be it's current status with several small, disjunct populations. Hopefully someone has better insight.

#3 Guest_BTDarters_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:17 AM

I've never heard of a Notropis sp. "sawfin". Does anyone have any pictures of these??

Brian

#4 Guest_drewish_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 12:42 AM

Here is one of Dustin's... http://jonahsaquariu...finshiner01.htm

I've sampled them from the Clinch R. but didn't get any good pics. It is a beautiful fish when seen in person.

#5 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 08:34 AM

I did a quick edit of a photo from this summer.
Not the best pic but you can see most of the features.

#6 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 09:02 AM

Thanks Uland, that's a good shot. We see them in the upper Paint Rock river in 'bama, no other species has that pattern of red throughout the fins.

#7 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 10:06 AM

The mirror and sawfin are two of my favorite shiners. Uland, that's a great picture. I have a smilar shot that I could dig up from the TN trip this year.

#8 Guest_blakemarkwell_*

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Posted 19 December 2008 - 11:38 AM

Nice photos Dustin and Uland, I have to agree with Dustin in that these are two of my favorite shiners as well, even though I have never seen any in flesh. Hopefully that will soon change!

Thanks for the photos,

Blake

#9 Guest_BTDarters_*

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 02:14 AM

Cool pics! They look like a Sand Shiner (Notropis stramineus) with red highlights! Thanks guys!

Brian

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#10 Guest_TomNear_*

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Posted 22 December 2008 - 04:15 PM

I have heard, but I am not certain about this, that the hold up for describing the Sawfin Shiner is the need to examine variation in Notropis volucellus The Mimic Shiner. I guess this ranks with the Twelve Labors of Heracles. In other words, if it was easy someone would have done it by now.

#11 Guest_BTDarters_*

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 02:00 AM

May I ask why they're called "sawfin"? The fins look pretty straight-edged to me!

Brian

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