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Sampling trip to warren county little miami river

Started by Guest_CATfishTONY_* , Mar 01 2009 08:08 PM

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#21 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 05:20 PM

Yeah I have an email out to Matt Thomas to see what his thoughts are. I am going to check out Kinniconick and Tygarts at a minimum for the spring round of sample. This summer I'll be looking around on the Big Sandy. Susan has family on the Tug Fork, so we might go check out her ancestral grounds

I'm also checkin with folks about Symmes and Raccoon Creeks in Ohio. Sounds like there's a long legacy of mine seepage, so they may not make good reps.

So my glaciated reps will be Darby, Paint, Kokosing, Little Miami, Mad. Unglaciated for sure is Little Muskie, Little Kanawah, Licking (KY). Just gotta find those last two. I am hoping that Tygarts and Raccoon work out, as they have a similar drainage, and guages at about the same point in the drainages, to make these rivers as much of replicates as possible.

Probably look at longitudinal zonation in the Little Miami, Darby and Kokosing/Waldhonding.

And I think that's about enough drivin' around without major funding and definately after my NSF GK-12 Fellowship is over

Todd

#22 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:50 AM

Have you considered White Oak or Ohio Brush? Those are probably the only other two decent sized streams on the Ohio side.

#23 Guest_midge_*

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:19 AM

great list guys! I am jealous, I miss the little miami. You guys should go down and hit up the east fork and obannon, and the river around there, round out the majority of the species you will find in the river. get down to the riffle below beechmont and you get alot of random fish coming up from the ohio as well.
matt are you still finding all those variegates in that same riffle, there where more in that one area than I have seen anywhere else on the river.
todd that list you have sounds pretty neat, racoon creek is a wierd little stream, atleast what small I have seen, I was even told that someone caught a redbreast sunfish out of that stream :neutral:

and kinniconick rocks, but thats the only stream over the river that I have been in

#24 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:22 AM

Ohio Brush is the back up plan. There's some good riffles in the lower section, the problem is access to them is a PITA down an enormous bank. I don't know that White Oak is big enough, but it's definately a good suggestion.

I did some more research on Raccoon Creek, and I think I can get a good rep somewhere around Rio Grande (and can visit the Bob Evans Farm too lol). The acid stuff is all in the headwaters, they were getting exceptional IBI's in that mid segment and goods in the lower alluvial area. Should be a riffle or two there, and it's one the state is interested in (ie more funding opportunity).

Todd

#25 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:57 PM

Hey Midge, thanks for the heads up, I've got my path for Saturday now. I think I'll have time to hit Kinniconik in the loop. I'm excited to see it. It looks like it has a similar discharge to my other replicates, and it has a guage where I need it (as does Raccoon). I'm worried the Licking is still going to be a little large for what I'm looking for, the guages aren't the best on it, and Cave Run Lake looks to be right about where I want to go. But it would be a bad idea to overlook it, I think.

I'll probably give Tygarts and Raccoon a look next weekend, and bust on over to look at the Little Kanawah and Little Muskie.

I am not looking forward to all this driving. Blech. Maybe Tygarts will work out and I can just forget about the Little K and stay out of WV. That would really save some time.

Todd

#26 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:21 PM

Ooooooooooo wweeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeee!

More later in its own thread.

#27 Guest_natureman187_*

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 08:42 PM

Beautiful!

#28 Guest_CATfishTONY_*

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 08:54 PM

Ooooooooooo wweeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeee!

More later in its own thread.

nice fish,
would you like to see gold and the like on the same trip?

#29 Guest_BTDarters_*

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 09:13 PM

Wow, Todd, those are nice fish!! Could you post the names of those species? I have to admit, when I get out of the Upper Midwest, my ID skills fail me.

Brian

#30 Guest_natureman187_*

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 12:29 AM

The first is a gilt and bottom maybe a longhead?

#31 Guest_CATfishTONY_*

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 05:36 AM

The first is a gilt and bottom maybe a longhead?

I think the first one is a Variegate Darter (Etheostoma variatum) http://pond.dnr.corn...ate_darter.html
not sure on the second.

the gilt dater looks a little different here is a link.

http://gallery.nanfa...percina/evides/

Edited by CATfishTONY, 10 March 2009 - 05:39 AM.

#32 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 06:41 AM

Sorry about that. The first is a variegate darter, E. variatum, the second is a longhead darter, P. macrocephala. The variegate can be extremely abundant where it occurs. The longhead status should probably be re-evaluated in light of Page and Near 2007, which elevated the upper Tennessee River portions of the range to the sickle darter, P williamsi. I could have taken a better picture if I'd air boarded this gal, but I wasn't about to do that with her so full of eggs. She really was the highlight of the day for me, although the mudpuppy was a really close second