Will county northern Illinois 3/15/2009
#1 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 16 March 2009 - 11:27 PM
Semotilus atromaculatus.
Pimephales promelas
Pimephales notatus
Notropis rubellus
Notropis atherinoides
Luxilus chrysocephalus
Lepomis cyanellus
Oh yeah...let me know if I messed up the ID on the Notropis atherinoides
#2 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 16 March 2009 - 11:36 PM
Oh yeah.. we also found a few Etheostoma nigrum
In addition to the above photos we found:
Campostoma anomalum
Nocomis biguttatus
Notropis stramineus
Catostomus commersoni
I think that's it...did I miss anything Mark?
#4 Guest_airbrn1187_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 02:17 AM
Nice photos, Uland! Thanks for sharing! I'm hoping to get out collecting up here in Wisconsin in the next week or two. It's supposed to be 68*F here tomorrow! The water's still cold, though!
Brian
We had a good time....seemed like forever since we have been in the water. Dang you Uland making me think. I also checked the IHNS site and according to them Fatheads have been there for awhile. Correct me if I am wrong, didn't we also catch
Catostomus commersoni
Campostoma anomalum
Nocomis biguttatus
Notropis ludibundus
And as a side note...to all who know Uland.....he kept the same piece of grass for the WHOLE photo shoot!!
#6 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:01 AM
We had a good time....seemed like forever since we have been in the water. Dang you Uland making me think. I also checked the IHNS site and according to them Fatheads have been there for awhile. Correct me if I am wrong, didn't we also catch
Catostomus commersoni
Campostoma anomalum
Nocomis biguttatus
Notropis ludibundus
And as a side note...to all who know Uland.....he kept the same piece of grass for the WHOLE photo shoot!!
It really has been far too long since we got out. We sure did catch the fish you listed but N. ludibundus is now N. stramineus. The state either does not recognize the change or has not yet updated their records. I just looked up the collection records and yeah...Pimephales promelas were first documented in 1982. Since we found the "rosy red" I still think these are a recent introduction.
It's been fun watching you perfect your techniques. You've really got it down good. The white and grey background ones are prefect, not a spot of shadow.
I prefer those over the black background, just my personal taste, they're all beautiful.
I had hoped to get some input on the photos. I naturally gravitate to a lighter background but it's nearly impossible to get background uniformity when using a light background. I'm trying this year to have uniform backgrounds to make the photos universally useful. I tried on much of this group to force them into a black background to see what people think (I think it looks unnatural but the details "pop"). I'm still undecided on how to achieve background uniformity and I hope to get it worked out before I take too many photos. Any input is welcome.
#8 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:24 AM
Do you cut and paste onto the white and grey backgrounds, or only the black ones?
On recent photos I cut and paste on all backgrounds. I find it's much faster than cleaning up any other way. I really can go one of two way with the photos...Work on getting the black background much darker and force the photos on black or just succumb to my natural instinct and try to match the natural background color to my paste job. Decisions, decisions
#9 Guest_daveneely_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 10:34 AM
I just got the new macro lens so should be back in business soon (finally!!), assuming the rivers come back down to a workable level...
Dave
#12 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:30 PM
Uland, those are looking pretty doggone good, glad to hear you're getting out! While the black sometimes makes the fins look too light, I like having everything standardized across all of my photos... but you already know that. That said, that striped shiner looks sweet, maybe the 30% (35%?) grey is the way to go... but I'm NOT going back and redoing all of my backgrounds!
I just got the new macro lens so should be back in business soon (finally!!), assuming the rivers come back down to a workable level...
Dave
Golly thanks Dave.
The more I try to standardize the more I understand why you use black background. If your grey background matches too closely, detail can be lost. If you always use the same grey background, it's only a matter of time before you try and put the wrong photo to fit the grey. Going back to rework backgrounds would make me go mad. I get very fidgety both mentally and through coordination after editing several photos.
Did you get the 60mm f/2.8 canon lens Dave?
Now, I hate to do this to you Uland, but those nape scales on that "chrysocephalus" are lookin' pretty danged small icon_wink.gif
Todd, I always welcome ID help and I think all of us are here to improve our ID skills. Please don't be shy about pointing me in the right direction. I still don't have the L. chrysocephalus vs L. cornutus scale thing figured out. I need to make that a priority this year and gather lots of photos to help me. Once I feel more confident distinguishing the two, I might challenge the state ID but for now the state says they are L. chrysocephalus and I'm in no position to say otherwise.
I'm fairly certain I've attached the wrong minnow head to the Emerald shiner and need to look into that when I get home.
Thanks Nativeplanter. I think I now have something to shoot for. I will keep trying to make better photos for black background but will find a standardized grey background for this year.I think the light and medium backgrounds are working the best. With the black, the clear fins look like they are white.
Awsome photos, btw.
I really appreciate the input from everyone.
#13 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:47 PM
Todd, I always welcome ID help and I think all of us are here to improve our ID skills. Please don't be shy about pointing me in the right direction. I still don't have the L. chrysocephalus vs L. cornutus scale thing figured out. I need to make that a priority this year and gather lots of photos to help me. Once I feel more confident distinguishing the two, I might challenge the state ID but for now the state says they are L. chrysocephalus and I'm in no position to say otherwise.
I'm fairly certain I've attached the wrong minnow head to the Emerald shiner and need to look into that when I get home.
Okey dokey, I could just hear your groan when I was considering pointing it out. I'm really glad you don't take it as me saying "YOURE WRONG!" 'Coz that's not how I roll (Well, in my mind anyway. The details are left in the interpretation, unfortunately, when typing)
You're gonna get this down this year man. Then you can drive yourself crazy with volucellus and stramineus next lol.
If you guys do midway sampling again, you should check out that little watershed that flows just east of Sandwich. You could stop in and talk to Dave and my friends there at the car dealer too... There was a nice looking spring fed ditch/stream that looked like sculpinville behind the dealership. I can get you better coordinates if interested. Some of the beefy-est rainbows I'd ever seen just to the west of there too, I think another trib of the Fox.
And I agree, I think you post a really nice head photo of rubellus from the other angle (which is useful too).
Todd
#14 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 17 March 2009 - 07:18 PM
I see orange, black and turquoise anal fins on these E. spectabile. Anyone else see this in their populations?
I forgot to post a pan shot of our dead landscape, so here it is.
#16 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 18 March 2009 - 10:59 AM
Ha! I like that statement, it made me choke on a mouthful of coffee. And it could be true, that's one of the state books I don't have. As to Cottus, I always know a sculpin when I see it.....Pick up Fishes of Missouri. His line drawings will solve all the mysteries of Luxilus, Notropis and Cottus.
Todd
#17 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 18 March 2009 - 11:59 AM
Ha! I like that statement, it made me choke on a mouthful of coffee. And it could be true, that's one of the state books I don't have. As to Cottus, I always know a sculpin when I see it.....
I always know a "little silver jobbie" when I see it too, but that tells you only so much lol. I don't envy the ID factory that Alabama is for sculpin. I think you have to have Dave standing next to you to even have a chance lol.
#18 Guest_natureman187_*
Posted 18 March 2009 - 02:51 PM
I see orange, black and turquoise anal fins on these E. spectabile. Anyone else see this in their populations?
Uland like with everything else it appears to be watershed specific. Here downstate their anal fins stay a deep solid turquoise. Some are light, some almost black. The oranges only appear closer to rainbow country.
I think the gray is pretty sharp but I can imagine keeping the gradient would be difficult. I know we've discussed this before, but I enjoy your white backgrounds with the shadows.
#19 Guest_Uland_*
Posted 18 March 2009 - 07:07 PM
Pick up Fishes of Missouri. His line drawings will solve all the mysteries of Luxilus, Notropis and Cottus.
I noticed the orange as well. Are there rainbows present? That might also explain some of the beefyness.
Todd
I actually grew up with Fishes of Missouri and still have the original copy. I checked the updated version to be sure but that book doesn't provide lateral drawings for either and it focuses on features (dorsal stripes and chin pigment) that would clearly put these and the other fish Ive been calling L. chrysocephalus as L. chrysocephalus. So what references are you using for L. conutus vs. L. chrysocephalus?
The state says rainbows are present and recall identifying few as such when starting out but I've not seen anything I'd call a rainbow in a long time. I'll head back in a few weeks once the water goes down a bit and they color up a bit better.
#20 Guest_CATfishTONY_*
Posted 18 March 2009 - 07:43 PM
one day i hope to take shots like that.
its threads like this one why i am a member now.
thanks for the thread.a real breath of fresh air.
ps, why are your fish all heads left?
your choice or is it a clock in the picture thing? you no the time is all ways
10 minutes after 10am or 10 minutes till 2pm kinda thing.
Edited by CATfishTONY, 18 March 2009 - 08:05 PM.
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