need ID for a fundulus sp. and a catfish
#1 Guest_trojannemo_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 01:07 AM
i've caught F. chrysotus and F. confluentus, and these didnt look like either.
the bigger one had an eye-like mark on the dorsal fin. I also noticed that they were probably one of the most difficult fish to photograph because they insisted on putting their bodies straight, rather than lay sideways like most fish do when they're in my hands
also need help with this catfish caught on cast net.
I've caught walking catfish near this location, so I assumed that was it at the time, but the fish had a very deep body, a brown coloration rather than black, and was covered in spots, whereas the walking catfish i've caught before have been all black.
so what fish is this?
while i'm at it. i noticed this Gambusia had a distinct pattern to it. it was a perfect "half-black" coloration.
is this an established melanistic form (i've never seen it?) or was this a one-off type of thing?
and last, if this is a bluegill, then why does it have so much green? if not a bluegill, then what is it?
thanks guys!
#2 Guest_CATfishTONY_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 09:21 AM
1-bull minnow- fundulus grandis
2-ictalurid- but i am just not sure if its a bullhead/ameriurus from the pictures view
3- no idea on color type
4-plain old bluegill L- macrochirus
Edited by CATfishTONY, 03 January 2010 - 09:26 AM.
#3 Guest_smbass_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:31 PM
2 Brown Bullhead
3 half dead mosquitofish
4 Bluegill
#4 Guest_Newt_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:54 PM
#5 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:08 PM
I'd agree with the other id's, esp the half dead gambusia lol.
Bluegill are quite variable, but no other sunfish will have that spot in the soft dorsal like that (you can kind of see it blotched up).
Todd
#6 Guest_trojannemo_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:13 PM
I'd agree with the other id's, esp the half dead gambusia lol.
so as they're dying they get that coloration?! i swear that looked like the half-black coloration on angelfish!
thanks for the IDs.
we're at either Brown or Yellow Bullhead for the catfish; Fundulus grandis for the killifish; and plain old bluegill (green variety ) for the sunfish...
any more guesses?
#7 Guest_farmertodd_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:18 PM
You take great photos, btw
Todd
Edited by farmertodd, 03 January 2010 - 11:18 PM.
#8 Guest_smbass_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:44 PM
#9 Guest_Newt_*
Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:52 PM
#10 Guest_gzeiger_*
Posted 04 January 2010 - 09:38 AM
#11 Guest_Dustin_*
Posted 04 January 2010 - 11:18 AM
#12 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 04 January 2010 - 01:25 PM
#13 Guest_trojannemo_*
Posted 04 January 2010 - 02:44 PM
I was told this was F. confluentus:
these two, and the original two fish posted above look very different to me!
#14 Guest_Dustin_*
Posted 04 January 2010 - 02:58 PM
#15 Guest_Doug_Dame_*
Posted 05 January 2010 - 02:11 AM
What Dustin said.the bigger one had an eye-like mark on the dorsal fin. I also noticed that they were probably one of the most difficult fish to photograph because they insisted on putting their bodies straight, rather than lay sideways like most fish do when they're in my hands
Also, the next confluentus I see in a net laying on its side will be the first ... they ALWAYS orient dorsal side up. Uncanny. I'm sure out of water they must have a flat triangular cross-section, they're like loaded dice that roll nothing but sixes. I have a spot where I seine brackish killies and misc other stuff. All the similis are on their sides, all the grandis are on their sides, all the CV are on their sides, all the Adenia, all the mollies, the drums, all the mini-mullets .... and every fish on its belly, dorsal side up, ends up being a confluentus once I can flip it around enough to see it.
Yours are nicer than what I see up here though.
Edited by Doug_Dame, 05 January 2010 - 02:12 AM.
#16 Guest_Newt_*
Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:14 AM
#17 Guest_choupique_*
Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:55 AM
Decent big male conflues look enough like grandis, but are much more colorful and the colors are arranged more nicely. I am biased, I just love the eye spot on the dorsal.
Last I read, confluentus was dropped and they are all pulverus [sp?]. I had both over the years, and the difference seemed more so than grandis/heteroclitus, but as much as diaphanus diaphanus vs. diaphanus menona. Confluentus were the nicer of the two, a bit nicer coloration in my opinion - with the variation in males from white edged fins to deep orange. The clincher was they were much easier to keep in freshwater, and more friendly in the fish tank.
Brown bullhead. They can have light barbels on the chin, not common - usually a dusky color, but I can easily imagine them that way. The husky body instead of a more long body and the overall coloration scream brown bullhead. Even big yellows like I caught this summer out on the marsh, they are bulky but over all have a long look to them.
Ditto on bluegill ( does have a nice green sheen to it) and the gambusia.
#18 Guest_trojannemo_*
Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:58 AM
just to clarify, from the second set of pictures of F. confluentus, the one with the strong vertical bars is a female or male? from the original batch, the one with the ocellus is the male?
if the catfish above is indeed Brown Bullhead (which it seems to me), then what is this juvenile, that I was previously told was brown bullhead as well?
thanks
EDIT: this is the link I had used to "confirm" the id of the above catfish - http://www.flmnh.ufl...wnbullhead.html
Edited by trojannemo, 06 January 2010 - 09:00 AM.
#19 Guest_smbass_*
Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:16 PM
#20 Guest_Mike_*
Posted 08 January 2010 - 12:26 AM
thank you for the help with the IDs again.
just to clarify, from the second set of pictures of F. confluentus, the one with the strong vertical bars is a female or male? from the original batch, the one with the ocellus is the male?
if the catfish above is indeed Brown Bullhead (which it seems to me), then what is this juvenile, that I was previously told was brown bullhead as well?
thanks
EDIT: this is the link I had used to "confirm" the id of the above catfish - http://www.flmnh.ufl...wnbullhead.html
I have never seen a Brown Bullhead with white chin barbels, and never read about one either.
I would say the first one was a Yellow Bullhead.
As for the second Bullhead:
Florida also has Spotted & Snail Bullheads, what part of Florida did you ceatch the second one?
You can't tell from the photo but the Spotted & Snail Bullheads have a nerrow black edge on the fins.
But if I had to ID it from that photo I would have to go with Brown Bullhead (It just looks funny to me.)
Edited by Mike, 08 January 2010 - 12:31 AM.
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