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Posted 12 February 2010 - 02:21 PM

I thought we were over that sort of nonsense. Some of the more southerly pikeminnows were nearly destroyed due to elimination campaigns to protect trout from these "trash fish". Similar efforts have been conducted in the east against gar and bowfin. Their impacts on game fish are understudied and almost certainly overstated.


1st of all it was habitat destruction which wiped out most of the Colorado Pikeminnow (breeding areas)"The Colorado pikeminnow, P. lucius, is the largest member of the genus, averaging 4 to 9 pounds (2 to 4 kg) in adult fish with occasional specimens up to 25 pounds (11 kg). There are historical and anecdotal reports of Colorado pikeminnows nearing 6 feet (1.8 m) in length and 80 pounds (36 kg) in weight. The species is near extinction in its native Colorado River basin habitat, due to extensive habitat destruction." Wikipedia.
2nd of all the Northern Pikeminnow is such a threat to Salmon stocks because young Salmon colect at Damns :) I meant Dams and then get corralled and herded into areas that they cant escape where Pikeminnow gobble them up like sharks! These dams are not natural and enable the Pikeminnow to almost wipeout Salmon stocks in some areas." A mature female can lay 30,000 eggs annually. Pikeminnow are voracious predators, and in the Columbia River and Snake River salmon smolts comprise a large part of their diet. Their population has flourished with the development of the Columbia River Hydro-power System. The reservoirs have provided excellent habitat for pikeminnow and given them an advantage over depressed salmon and steelhead populations." Wikipedia. I agree with your assessment on Bowfin and gar.....but the subject is CARP, whose high fecundity and omnivorous nature (they especially like eggs) makes them a natural high risk threat to many of our native fish.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 02:29 PM

It just dawned on me that we're talking about different species of pikeminnow. The one that wargreen is talking about is Ptychocheilus oregonensis, the northern pikeminnow, which is not at all rare and is widely distributed around the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia. I think to most of us in the east if you say pikeminnow we immediately think of Ptychocheilus lucius, the Colorado pikeminnow which is endangered in the Colorado river system. Phew, saved by the binomials!

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 05:57 PM

My bad, Wargreen :)

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 03:55 AM

My bad, Wargreen :)

Todd

With so many native fish its hard to know more than just the well publicized ones, Ive recently been reading about what happened to the Sacramento Perch, and some of the Pupfish out West; and my fear is that this is already happening in our biggest watershed, the Mississipi river basin, and will soon hit the worlds largest group of lakes, the Great Lakes. I believe very strongly we cant wait to try to find the "perfect solution" to this growing problem but must start immediate control measures that are monitored and regulated by state and independent agencies. I hope that the knowledgeable and dedicated members and staff like Fundulus and yourself will help Nanfa to become a proponent of saving our natural fish stocks from invasives using the vast commercial and sport resources this nation already has. Thanks Joe.

Edited by wargreen, 13 February 2010 - 03:56 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2010 - 02:33 PM

Wargreen, we're all on the same wavelength. NANFA tries to do what it can even as a small organization. We should try to do more, certainly the need is there.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 02:34 AM

Carp caught in Lake Calumet, beyond the barriers: http://news.yahoo.co...arp_great_lakes

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 09:14 AM

Carp caught in Lake Calumet, beyond the barriers: http://news.yahoo.co...arp_great_lakes


This is clearly bad news since Lake Calumet is right at the confluence of the Little Calumet and Grand Calumet Rivers not to mention very close to Lake Michigan. I should mention that Bighead Carp have been caught for many years from the Skokie Lagoons which are roughly 45 water miles (if traveling via Lake Michigan) or about 70 miles if they traveled via the canal system and flowing waters of the region. This is assuming someone did not remove some of the Skokie Lagoon population and release them in Lake Calumet.
On the bright side, there has been lots of credible discussion of closing the canal system permanently even by gubernatorial candidates.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:43 AM

I read the other day on AOL news that a big headed carp was netted by a commercial fisherman in Lake Michigan.

Here is a link to an article....

http://www.thestatec...n_carp_4783.php

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 09:49 AM

I read the other day on AOL news that a big headed carp was netted by a commercial fisherman in Lake Michigan.

Here is a link to an article....

http://www.thestatec...n_carp_4783.php

it wasnt in lake mich...looks like the same story as the post right above you

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 06:47 PM

Oops, sorry. That was not the same story I read on the AOL news. I googled and found that one and the headline reads..... "Asian Carp in Lake Michigan" which is very misleading.

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 06:54 AM

Another Great Lake Carp article, I hate these guys! If you catch 'em and don't like the taste they make supreme fertilizer for gardens!
http://www.ontarioou.../?ID=183&A=read




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