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black crappie problems

Started by Guest_Leo1234_* , Mar 20 2014 10:55 PM

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#41 Guest_Subrosa_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:15 PM

I know I've addressed this issue before Erica, but perhaps I wasn't specific enough. In my 35 years of working with fish in many different jobs, retail, wholesale, and culturing organisms for aquatic bioasassays I am confident that I have sent and received many times more fish than you have up until now, and likely ever will. As far as our disagreement over some of my practices, if the best argument you can make is that I'm wasting my own money, I win.

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#42 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:18 PM

*shrugs* $300 for a spawn of fish is a big deal to me.

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#43 Guest_Subrosa_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:26 PM

oops

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#44 Guest_Subrosa_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:29 PM

What is a spawn of common fry worth if you use them to raise the fry of fish like Acestorhynchus sps which won't eat much else other than smaller live fish?

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#45 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:33 PM

Getting way off topic.

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#46 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:44 PM

Sorry about that. To go back on topic:
There are really a lot of different things you can do.

*add lots of caves and plants to break up the sight lines and decrease aggression. Examples of caves: https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be and https://www.youtube....h?v=PSNMAOpBIkg Heavily planting the tank allows my highly aggressive cichlids to coexist without murdering one another. Ceratophyllum's an example plant most people can't kill, just keep nitrate above 0 ppm.
*do nothing, in which case the crappie may die
*give the fish away on craigslist or at a local fish club meeting
*get or build more large tanks. Uarujoey demonstrates how to build a 237 gallon aquarium for $375 here: youtube.com/watch?v=cdyANDq_x_s
*kill the fish
*feed the fish to something else
*eat the fish

I'm not sure what the laws are on selling your particular fish species. I on purpose only breed fish that aren't native to my state specifically so the laws treat the buying and selling of them like tropical fish.
Ditto pond stocking laws, I know nothing about those.

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#47 Guest_Yeahson421_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:28 PM

Erica, planting and adding caves doesn't really work for a bass; it will eliminate whatever it is that is in the way. Please don't give advice for fish which you don't have experience with.

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#48 Guest_Leo1234_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:15 PM

Plants have worked well for me so far with the bass, since the black crappie is on one side of the hornwort and the bass on the other. I think Erica Lyons has a good idea that is worth a try. I might plant more so the tank is planted more since once a fish the bass chases goes into plants or in a cave, the bass stops. I got the bass from a website on the internet, but I do not want to bring up who it was so they don't get dragged in. The black crappie still does not hide for some odd reason and still eats fine. I'm trying to get more plants, but leave the top and upper middle section open for the bass. Would Hornwort work as a good dense stem plant for fish? My bass seems like it is not as aggressive as everyone on here states, but is kind of mean. The bass has not killed anyone yet and hopefully will not. I will still keep him for a little bit. Unless a fish gets severely injured or killed, I do not see the point in getting rid of an aggressive fish in an aggressive fish tank. The black crappie seems comfortable enough to be out in the open. I will try to update on anything that happens.

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#49 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

If your crappie is shredded, the plants are not working well enough. I think Erica has a good idea when she said "Get or build more large tanks"

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#50 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:46 PM

Would Hornwort work as a good dense stem plant for fish?

Yes. It can grow very dense, up to and including this:
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^That's ceratophyllum. That did not have added CO2 or anything, just nonzero nitrate and 200 lumens per gallon of full spectrum light. Ceratophyllum's not picky about its light, but if you run out of soluble nitrogen it can starve to death. Nitrate must be measurable, not zero.

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#51 Guest_butch_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:01 PM

Plants won't work that well, especially when it's a bass. More structures, more territorial the bass gets. It's clearly that Erica don't have any personal experiences with black bass. The problem WON'T go away unless you remove the bass.

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#52 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:10 PM

For the record, I've never kept bass. Listen to people who have kept bass about whether thick plants will protect its prey from it. I have kept other fish, where blocking sight lines reduces aggression. (If you can't see it, it can't make you angry). But I've never kept bass, no, nor did I ever claim to.
I've got two categories of fish, personally. Pet and Food. Bass are Food.