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Nature Center Opportunity

Started by Michael Wolfe , Apr 06 2014 09:46 PM

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#21 Michael Wolfe

Board of Directors

North Georgia, Oconee River Drainage

Posted 26 May 2014 - 10:52 AM

First the filter was established form the turtle tank and the drift wood had been in there too... so they are certainly helping. We kept both from drying out during the shutdown... cleaned the filter some... but not too much... and added a good bit of Seachem Matrix (thanks Doug)... I also added Seachem Stability to re-jump start the biological if needed.

And the planting was not light all over... one end got a good bit of val... and it will be growing...

Maybe I should take some hornwort over there when I go today?

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#22 mattknepley

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Smack-dab between the Savannah and the Saluda.

Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:58 AM

Great stuff, Michael and Company! You do us proud!

Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."

#23 Isaac Szabo

NANFA Member

Marble Falls, AR

Posted 26 May 2014 - 01:34 PM

Great work! The tank looks good.

#24 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 01:43 PM

Maybe I should take some hornwort over there when I go today?

Nah, if you added bacteria in a bottle (Seachem Stability claims that's what it is), you should be good.

#25 Guest_Casper_*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 01:53 PM

Super Cool.
Maybe you should do a monthly update on the setup, if it is practical for you. I would be most interested to see its development.
Great job volunteers.
Nice mix of fish.
What town is it in?

#26 Michael Wolfe

Board of Directors

North Georgia, Oconee River Drainage

Posted 26 May 2014 - 03:26 PM

Nah, if you added bacteria in a bottle (Seachem Stability claims that's what it is), you should be good.

Seemed OK, we had no deaths overnight. Considering collecting stress and the absolutely no acclimation, I am pretty pleased.

What town is it in?

Johns Creek, Georgia (it was previously an unincorporated part of the county and has only been an actual city for maybe the last 5 or so years)

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#27 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 03:47 PM

Seemed OK, we had no deaths overnight.

Um, that is absolutely not when ammonia kills fish. Ammonia does not kill the first night. Ammonia deaths usually start around one week after adding fish flakes for the first time.

Check out this graph: Day 14 is when the ammonia reached its maximum concentration in the uncycled tank.
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But yeah, you added beneficial bacteria in a bottle. Assuming it wasn't past its expiration date (and assuming Seachem Stability works as well as API Quick Start; I have yet to see an experiment posted by the company like API did as I showed with the graph above), you should be good.

#28 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 07:05 PM

My son can kill fish with ammonia on first night. Add a whole container of fish feed, ammonia spikes much higher than when cycling and wallah, stinky dead by morning.

#29 Guest_Erica Lyons_*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 08:24 PM

Lol, yes, when you add an entire container of fish food you are no longer in the range of the average experience.

In general, ammonia deaths happen at the one week time point. That's not condescending, it's just a fact. Assuming they are not going to have problems because they survive the first night is not true. You know me Skipjack, so you must know I am at my most annoying when correcting an assumption that could lead to death. It's worth being perceived as annoying or bossy or condescending, etc names if the fish lives. As Michael said there was bacteria in a bottle used, so there is no further reason for me to comment here. That is a very nice setup, Michael.

#30 Michael Wolfe

Board of Directors

North Georgia, Oconee River Drainage

Posted 26 May 2014 - 09:45 PM

That is a very nice setup, Michael.

Thanks, EL, I was more concerned about the collecting stress (we had too many fish in the cooler for my tastes) and related systemic failure... but I was certainly glad to see wild caught fish eat on the first or second day.

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#31 Guest_steve_*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 10:24 PM

Very nice looking set up and fish. The hard work and fun y'all put into it shows. Great outreach. Great job.

#32 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 11:38 AM

What is the role of temperature in its affect on timing of ammonia spike? I am thinking along lines of temperature setups along the extremes of coldwater approaching 0 C and warmwater approaching 33 C. I have run both as static systems.

#33 Guest_jblaylock_*

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 10:14 AM

Looks awesome Michael.

#34 Michael Wolfe

Board of Directors

North Georgia, Oconee River Drainage

Posted 19 June 2015 - 07:37 PM

FYI, we are still supporting this tank... the plants have not done as well as I would like... but we have bluehead chubs and stonerollers and blackbanded darters growing large and fat... and we put some of the N. longirostris in there and they too are doing very well. And we are still getting publicity for the Nature Preserve and for NANFA! Click the link below.

http://northfulton.c...-GOING-ON,74558

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin