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Coastal Shiner? turns out to be Golden Shiner


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#1 taldridge0321

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 06:44 AM

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Caught in the Lumber River, had almost a baby blue color on the scales which rubbed off easily.


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#2 taldridge0321

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 06:45 AM

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Caught this in the Pee Dee River drainage. Swallowtail Shiner?


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#3 taldridge0321

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 06:47 AM

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Same location, Pee Dee River area. I believe these are Highback Chubs.

#4 UncleWillie

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 07:31 AM

I'd say your top 2 photos are golden shiners (Notemigonus crysoleucus).

The bottom photo is an Erimyzon sp.  (lake or creek chubsucker).

I can't offer you reliable info on the middle 2 photos.


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#5 Dustin

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 08:26 AM

Middle two are goldens too.


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#6 michifish

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 08:46 AM

You need to get a photo tank.



#7 taldridge0321

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:14 AM

Thanks for the posts fellows, the top fish, there is just no way it was a Golden Shiner. I have been catching Golden Shiners my entire life and know exactly what they look like, even the juveniles. This fish was blue, had baby blue scales. It was way thinner in the body than a Golden Shiner and it had different lips.



#8 zooxanthellae

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 10:15 AM

Thanks for the posts fellows, the top fish, there is just no way it was a Golden Shiner. I have been catching Golden Shiners my entire life and know exactly what they look like, even the juveniles. This fish was blue, had baby blue scales. It was way thinner in the body than a Golden Shiner and it had different lips.

We could be wrong, but the first thing that popped into my head was golden shiner too. 



#9 Dustin

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 10:16 AM

See how far back on the slightly keeled back the dorsal fin is?  Golden shiner is the only minnow that looks like that.  The fish can have different coloration based on size, water clarity, etc.


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#10 fritz

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:33 AM

also the oblique mouth and lateral line that dips down.  definitely golden regardless of color



#11 sbtgrfan

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:34 AM

Agreed. Golden shiner. I've never seen another fish that loses scales so easily like a golden. 


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#12 taldridge0321

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 05:35 PM

Well you guys would know better than me. I will try and catch some more of them next time I go down there and get better pics.



#13 keepnatives

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:31 PM

Around my area young golden shiners under about 1.25" usually have a distinct bluish sheen.


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#14 gerald

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 01:09 PM

The small crowded scales and upturned mouth are golden shiner features too.  Taking photos in a small tank would allow us to see fin shapes better.

Stephen - some other minnows that lose their scales too easily are silvery minnows and taillight shiners.


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#15 taldridge0321

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 01:46 PM

Ok so I have come to terms with the little blue minnow being a Golden Shiner. How about the one that is small and silver with the large tail? Dustin, I think you said possibly a Swallowtail or another Golden Shiner. How we looking on id'ing that one fellas?



#16 Dustin

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 02:27 PM

That's also a golden


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