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#21 gerald

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 06:56 PM

Hmmm ... dunno, i've never seen Gulf darter.  I'd better leave these ID's to folks with more experience than me in GA.

However, I dont think that last sucker is a hogsucker; i'd guess jumprock or redhorse.


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#22 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 08:02 PM

I don't usually disagree with Gerald. But if that was Fayetteville like you said before then yes. It's a Alabama hogsucker
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#23 gerald

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 01:18 PM

I'll go with Michael's expertise.  Didn't realize AL hogsuckers were so stripey-looking.


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#24 taldridge0321

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 02:59 PM

I don't usually disagree with Gerald. But if that was Fayetteville like you said before then yes. It's a Alabama hogsucker

Michael, what is you opinion on the Bass? Also #1 and 2, which I think is a Striped Jumprock. I am pretty sure #10 and #11 are Gulf Darters but still not 100%. Thanks. 



#25 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 06:46 PM

i'm no good with gamefish, but I would guess redeye.

 

and I agree with striped jumprock


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#26 taldridge0321

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 05:02 AM

Sounds good, thanks for the id's fellas, had a fun trip.



#27 UncleWillie

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 09:05 AM

I agree with most of the IDs.  And yes, your last sucker is an Alabama hogsucker and the bass is most definitely a redeye.  Questionable about the Etheostoma darter though...  Sawcheek should be farther east, and Gulf just doesn't quite look right.  At first glance I thought goldstripe darter, but you are just wee bit too far north, BUT it is a possibility.  Anything wrong with the subject fish being a swamp darter?


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#28 gerald

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 09:37 AM

Gulf darter is more related to the rainbow/orangethroat lineage, whereas your fish look more like the swamp/sawcheek clan (subgenus Hololepis).  Swamp darter sounds like a good possibility, since Fayetteville is out of known range for sawcheek (UGA Fishes of GA website).  You don't have a better head shot of them, do you?


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#29 Dustin

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 10:27 AM

I think the darter is likely a funky swamp.  Goldstripe is further west like Will said and has a more obvious lateral line and sawcheek is farther east and has red pigmentation between the two spots.


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#30 taldridge0321

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 10:34 AM

Hope these are clearer fellas. Gulf+Darter+_3_.JPG



#31 taldridge0321

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 10:35 AM

Gulf+Darter+_8_.JPG



#32 gerald

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 02:08 PM

I'll go with "Funky Swamp" ... that central pair of dots is "normally" a sawcheek character, but everyting else looks consistent with swamp.  

The high arched lateral line looks too high for Gulf or any other Etheostoma outside of the Hololepis clan.


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#33 taldridge0321

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 02:51 PM

The habitat was rocky runs of this small creek. They were all in the current, we caught a few of the "funky swamps" along with some Blackbanded Darters. I don't think I've ever caught a Swamp Darter in current under rocks though.



#34 gerald

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:43 PM

For my own enlightenment I combined Tim's AL hogsucker and Stephen's striped jumprock photos for side-by-side comparison:

Hypent.etowa-TAldridge+Scarto.rupiscartes.SBeaman.jpg


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#35 taldridge0321

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 08:42 AM

For my own enlightenment I combined Tim's AL hogsucker and Stephen's striped jumprock photos for side-by-side comparison:

attachicon.gifHypent.etowa-TAldridge+Scarto.rupiscartes.SBeaman.jpg

They do look very similar. 



#36 sbtgrfan

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 01:43 PM

For my own enlightenment I combined Tim's AL hogsucker and Stephen's striped jumprock photos for side-by-side comparison:

attachicon.gifHypent.etowa-TAldridge+Scarto.rupiscartes.SBeaman.jpg

 

Interesting! Mine was from Saluda/Santee drainage though, not Savannah. 


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#37 Kanus

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 08:27 PM

Could you have been in range for Carolina Darter? Those, swamps, and sawcheeks all look really really similar.

 

For what it's worth, those look just like Sawcheeks I've seen in Virginia though. Double dots on the peduncle, a slightly more robust body shape than a swamp, and a subtle "two tone" brown coloration with the upper half of the body being slightly lighter colored than the lower half. 


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#38 gerald

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:12 AM

That's what made me think sawcheek at first too, but this site (SW of Atlanta) is out-of-range for sawcheek and Carolina darters, unless it's an undocumented introduced pop.

 

For what it's worth, those look just like Sawcheeks I've seen in Virginia though. Double dots on the peduncle, a slightly more robust body shape than a swamp, and a subtle "two tone" brown coloration with the upper half of the body being slightly lighter colored than the lower half. 


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