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[fishsauce]

Also, the female was the one that tilted her body 45 degrees to let her eggs out. It's the first video I posted. She's much bigger than the male, and there's no mistaking it when you watch the video.

[fishsauce]

On my second and third video, you can clearly see the male guarding the unhatched eggs also.

[JasonL]

So apparently you have a transgender Lepomis hybrid sp.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[fishsauce]

So apparently you have a transgender Lepomis hybrid sp.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Lol

[centrarchid]

I did not see female tending brood.

[fishsauce]

Full tank shot. 40 gallon breeder tank planted with anubias, anacharis, java ferns, java moss. I did have some hair grass in there, but the fish keep pulling them out. There's also a bit of duck weed that hasn't taken off yet.

Also pictured is my brine shrimp hatchery.

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[Matt DeLaVega]

This is interesting.

[Matt DeLaVega]

So apparently you have a transgender Lepomis hybrid sp.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I wish we could ask, but what pronoun should we use?

[fishsauce]

I wish we could ask, but what pronoun should we use?

Animals and things are referred to as "it." That's sounds appropriate.

[JasonL]

I wish we could ask, but what pronoun should we use?

Most likely that is a “she” that would prefer the “he” designation.  

In all seriousness, I wonder if hybrids are more likely to switch roles like this.  This female fish clearly has some male cyanellus in it, perhaps it has part of the male parenting genes as well.

[Matt DeLaVega]

Most likely that is a “she” that would prefer the “he” designation.  

In all seriousness, I wonder if hybrids are more likely to switch roles like this.  This female fish clearly has some male cyanellus in it, perhaps it has part of the male parenting genes as well.

Exactly my thoughts. Have these hybrids sold to be 90 percent male actually been looked at close enough?

[fishsauce]

Exactly my thoughts. Have these hybrids sold to be 90 percent male actually been looked at close enough?

I doubt much research has been done on it. It's like that with most fish, barely studied scientifically.

[centrarchid]

I have made the hybrid, among others. Sex ratio skewed hard towards males. I could not find any fertile females even with a couple hundred to sort through..

[fishsauce]

Fry have developed eyes.

https://youtu.be/rcEyfCwv1sg

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[fishsauce]

Here is the female, "cleaning" her fry and gathering them into one spot. I've seen the same thing done with channa fry also.

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[fishsauce]

So, today's update.  I made a fatal mistake.  The female that I thought was brooding, was not.  She was actually eating the eggs and fry.  This morning, I saw a few of them swimming, not the few hundred that were there before.  I thought about it, and realized what had happened. But, it was too late.  I should have known.  The female is much bigger than the male, and kicked him out of the nest.  

 

I'm going to try and fatten up the female again.  Hopefully it's not too late in the season to breed.  The next time around, I'm going to remove her after breeding.  Wish me luck, and I'll keep you guys posted.  

[centrarchid]

Here is the female, "cleaning" her fry and gathering them into one spot. I've seen the same thing done with channa fry also.

I have yet to see a centrarchid move its brood by mouth. They do appear to keep prolarvae in proper place by attracting them through fanning. Current or pheromone or both involved. When not metamorphosed and still in endogenous nutrition, I call them prolarvae. They are larvae at exodus and feeding. Fry stage when metamorphosis complete.