new fish
#1 Guest_Redrain5_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 09:29 PM
The camera isn't showing the great red coloration on his fins as well as I hoped it would.
When I went to catch a fish for my friend along with minnows for my other sunfish I caught at least 12 warmouth’s mostly 4” and under. I usually catch more dollars & young SMB than anything else.
#2 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:09 PM
The second pic really looks like a warmouth x bluegill hybrid (*gasp*!).
#3 Guest_Redrain5_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:22 PM
#4 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:24 PM
#5 Guest_teleost_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:35 PM
#6 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:37 PM
Do I see some red behind the black spot in the soft dorsal?
I'm seeing it too. That's an interesting little fish.
#7 Guest_Redrain5_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:39 PM
#8 Guest_butch_*
Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:46 PM
#9 Guest_smbass_*
Posted 18 December 2007 - 01:20 PM
#10 Guest_ashtonmj_*
Posted 18 December 2007 - 01:32 PM
#11 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 18 December 2007 - 03:53 PM
That is a Bantam Sunfish, Lepomis symmetricus. They are a rather small stubby looking sunfish and young have a black spot with a red halo around it on the back of the soft dorsal much like a young flier would have. It is not a hybrid.
Ugh! I didn't even think about bantams!
I agree with Brian.
It looks kind of pointy for a bantam(at least the ones I've seen), but everything else agrees with that idea, so I guess that's what it is.
#12 Guest_Redrain5_*
Posted 19 December 2007 - 09:27 PM
a good bit smaller than a bluegill hybrid
I've never kept a bantam. Are they hard to get on flake/pellet food?
How would a 32 gal set up with plants live & fake with few rocks do for this fish?
#13 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 19 December 2007 - 10:04 PM
Ahhhh knew it was some what familiar but I couldn’t wrap my head around it, Bantam sunfish, Lepomis symmetricus. I can’t believe I kept thinking bluegill x warmouth but at least I wasn’t the only one. lol I wasn't even aware that they lived in that pond. That’s the first one I’ve ever caught their.
a good bit smaller than a bluegill hybrid
I've never kept a bantam. Are they hard to get on flake/pellet food?
How would a 32 gal set up with plants live & fake with few rocks do for this fish?
They'll convert to dry foods pretty quickly. Pellets are best.
A 32g is plenty big enough.
#14 Guest_butch_*
Posted 19 December 2007 - 10:47 PM
#15 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 20 December 2007 - 07:35 AM
#16 Guest_centrarchid_*
Posted 20 December 2007 - 11:02 AM
Bantam sunfish are one of three smaller Lepomis species that's don't get over 6 inches long (someone please correct me if I was wrong). Two other smaller Lepomis species are dollars and orangespotted sunfish. All Lepomis species are pretty hardy compared to other sunfish species for being keeping in aquarium. They are not picky about what you feed to them. Bantam sunfish look cooler especially its big mouth and eyes. It may not so colorful sunfish than other Lepomis species in their opitions but at last its smaller than mostly species.
They may be calling them Lepomis but they are much more similar to the blue spotted and banded sunfish (Eneacanthus spp.) than they are to any of the other Lepomis.
#17 Guest_butch_*
Posted 20 December 2007 - 11:31 AM
#18 Guest_fishlvr_*
Posted 20 December 2007 - 02:47 PM
They may be calling them Lepomis but they are much more similar to the blue spotted and banded sunfish (Eneacanthus spp.) than they are to any of the other Lepomis.
I definitely agree with that statement. After reading your article I was wondering if they should be considered an Enneacanthus sp.
#19 Guest_centrarchid_*
Posted 20 December 2007 - 07:13 PM
I definitely agree with that statement. After reading your article I was wondering if they should be considered an Enneacanthus sp.
I am no taxonomist of sunfishes but the bones and scaling pattern of head and the color patterns are more consistent with the Enneacanthus species of the east coast than with Lepomis. I am not sure why bantams were put into Lepomsi in first place other than hearing from a respective ichthyologists that the forked tail of bantans was relavent.
#20 Guest_choupique_*
Posted 24 December 2007 - 03:31 AM
As far as looking like other sunfish, redspotted sunfish seem to be clones of them. Catching them along side each other in Tennessee and Louisiana, the smaller ones really do that. Looking for that dorsal spot on the little bantams helped decide who was who.
They do bear a striking resemblance to banded sunfish though. At a quick glance they can resemble young dollar sunfish. But going off of color is tricky with bantams, why I nickname them the chameleon sunfish. This is in reference to badis badis.
Bantams are awesome little guys, pretty peaceful too. I once had three males and one female in a 15 gallon with just gravel and a foam filter. The female spawned with all three males, and no one got beat to near death, which would happen with any other lepomis in a proportionate sized tank.
With spending a long time with bantams, and putting aside size and personality, I really liken them to being like warmouth and green sunfish. I cannot give any concrete reasons for this, its just how I think about them.
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