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#81 Guest_EricaWieser_*

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 06:19 PM

This would certainly open up new possibilities for paddlefish fishing.

Please don't attempt to fish them. There are only two paddlefish species left, and they don't need you messing with them and sticking hooks in their mouths. American paddlefish are ranked "vulnerable" on the IUCN list. The Chinese paddlefish are probably extinct.
Leave the poor paddlefish alone.

Edited by EricaWieser, 25 June 2011 - 06:21 PM.

#82 Guest_pylodictis_*

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 06:28 PM

Please don't attempt to fish them. There are only two paddlefish species left, and they don't need you messing with them and sticking hooks in their mouths. American paddlefish are ranked "vulnerable" on the IUCN list. The Chinese paddlefish are probably extinct.
Leave the poor paddlefish alone.

Don't talk to me, talk to Illinois DNR. Paddlefish have made a terrific comeback in recent years and a short angling season is allowed in certain areas.

#83 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 08:21 AM

Your reply...

Don't talk to me, talk to Illinois DNR. Paddlefish have made a terrific comeback in recent years and a short angling season is allowed in certain areas.

doesn't seem to go with your signature...
"A true conservationist is a man who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children." John James Audubon

I am not sure if you should go angling for paddlefish or not... but I think that you should make that decision as an informed one based on some logic, not based on the fact that you are 'allowed' to do it by someone else. There are a lot of things that are 'legal' that are not 'right' or that cannot even be supported by logic.

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#84 Guest_MichiJim_*

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:53 PM

I don't see a problem with a conservationist being in favor of fishing, as long as the population is capable of supporting the harvest. I am sure that the state of Illinois has done their homework and has established a season that will not cause harm to the population. And, coming up with a way to catch these fish without snagging is a noble pursuit.

John James Audubon certainly killed a lot of birds along the way in the name of science and art. Frankly, we should be proud when conservation efforts are successful enough to allow an increase in the sporting catch, much like it has with Lake Sturgeon in Michigan.

But if you kill it - utilize it. I understand that paddlefish are good eating - something I would like to try someday.

I do agree that fish and game laws should be supported by science, not emotion. There are still a lot of laws on the books prohibiting the harvest of animals based on people's emotional responses, not science. Another example from Michigan - not allowing hunting for morning doves. No reason not to based on science or logic. Purely an emotional issue.

#85 Guest_pylodictis_*

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:03 PM

I don't see a problem with a conservationist being in favor of fishing, as long as the population is capable of supporting the harvest. I am sure that the state of Illinois has done their homework and has established a season that will not cause harm to the population. And, coming up with a way to catch these fish without snagging is a noble pursuit.

John James Audubon certainly killed a lot of birds along the way in the name of science and art. Frankly, we should be proud when conservation efforts are successful enough to allow an increase in the sporting catch, much like it has with Lake Sturgeon in Michigan.

But if you kill it - utilize it. I understand that paddlefish are good eating - something I would like to try someday.

I do agree that fish and game laws should be supported by science, not emotion. There are still a lot of laws on the books prohibiting the harvest of animals based on people's emotional responses, not science. Another example from Michigan - not allowing hunting for morning doves. No reason not to based on science or logic. Purely an emotional issue.

I don't think any of us know what the numbers are. I could come up with all the data and maybe they should be left alone, but I don't have the time. I think a 15 day catch and release season(actually I think you're allowed one fish per year) is okay, most likely. Maybe the IL biologist jumped the gun, maybe not, I don't have the data to calculate BMSY.

#86 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 02:23 PM

I don't see a problem with a conservationist being in favor of fishing, as long as the population is capable of supporting the harvest. I am sure that the state of Illinois has done their homework and has established a season that will not cause harm to the population. And, coming up with a way to catch these fish without snagging is a noble pursuit.

John James Audubon certainly killed a lot of birds along the way in the name of science and art. Frankly, we should be proud when conservation efforts are successful enough to allow an increase in the sporting catch, much like it has with Lake Sturgeon in Michigan.

But if you kill it - utilize it. I understand that paddlefish are good eating - something I would like to try someday.

I do agree that fish and game laws should be supported by science, not emotion. There are still a lot of laws on the books prohibiting the harvest of animals based on people's emotional responses, not science. Another example from Michigan - not allowing hunting for morning doves. No reason not to based on science or logic. Purely an emotional issue.

I agree with everything you wrote above... I agree with fishing (responsibly... which in my opinion does include 'utilizing' the resource... eating fish)... I have read Audubon's biography and agree that he used a gun much more than would be necessary today. My comment was only directed a the original statement of (paraphrasing) "its legal so its not my responsibility". Which I think is not a good way to conduct ones self and is in direct conflict of the Audubon quote, which (I believe) is about recognizing your responsibility.

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#87 Guest_bigfishfarms_*

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:32 PM

And I'm sure that you have created your very own "Sea Kitten" at the PETA website, Erica.

For the past 300,000 years there have only been two species of paddlefish. The American Paddlefish is doing quite nicely in 22 states. The fisheries in Montana, Oklahoma and Missouri continue to break records for fish caught each season. In states where paddlefish are not as plentiful, aggressive stocking programs are underway. We donate 500,000 fish a year to Pennsylvania alone.

Please confine your comments to things you know about. Ignorance does not become you.

Please don't attempt to fish them. There are only two paddlefish species left, and they don't need you messing with them and sticking hooks in their mouths. American paddlefish are ranked "vulnerable" on the IUCN list. The Chinese paddlefish are probably extinct.
Leave the poor paddlefish alone.

#88 Guest_MichiJim_*

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:28 AM

Michael,

I did not intend to direct this at you. I agree we each have to develop our own basis for decisions. I just like to believe that our fish and game agencies know what they are doing, and their regulations are good guidelines to work from. Of course, I have been wrong about this in the past.

#89 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 11:27 PM

And I'm sure that you have created your very own "Sea Kitten" at the PETA website, Erica.

Just noticing that you joined the forum in '08, and are still a guest? Time to join NANFA, dude! Like Erica has.

Edited by Irate Mormon, 07 July 2011 - 11:27 PM.

#90 Guest_Moontanman_*

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 11:30 PM

Just noticing that you joined the forum in '08, and are still a guest? Time to join NANFA, dude! Like Erica has.

I am pretty sure I paid my dues this year, if not let me know and I'll send them in.

#91 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 11:37 PM

I am pretty sure I paid my dues this year, if not let me know and I'll send them in.

Not you, Moon. BigFishFarm.

#92 Guest_Moontanman_*

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 11:56 PM

Not you, Moon. BigFishFarm.

My avatar pics seems to indicate i am a guest as well, am i delinquent in my dues too?

#93 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 07:43 AM

Not you, Moon. BigFishFarm.

BigFishFarm is a member and he asked about getting that fixed... I beleive that we are working on it...

Moon, the way to get this fixed is to ask Drew to do it (via PM and use your real name so that he can cross check it with the actual membership roles)... unfortunately it is a manual thing to update in the forum, not linked electronically to the membership which is maintained seperately by Tom.

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing. - Benjamin Franklin

#94 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 11:04 PM

My avatar pics seems to indicate i am a guest as well, am i delinquent in my dues too?

Probably!

#95 Guest_Moontanman_*

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:38 PM

Probably!

You're such a sweetheart, paddlefish is doing well...

#96 Guest_Moontanman_*

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

The remaining paddlefish is doing well in my basement but today I sprayed poison for fleas in my basement and I am worried the vapors might kill him. So while i worry here is some more news about my paddlefish.

I have observed many things from my paddlefish, I have seen them stir up organisms like live blood worms from the bottom but not with their paddles. he will not touch dead blood worms or any other dead food that is not floating.

I routinely feed my paddlefish feeder guppies now, he slowly but surely catches them in the 300 gallon swimming pool i have him in. The kiddie wading pool is perfect for him and he loves to swim into the current made by the filter pump.

He is pretty good at catching small crayfish and ghost shrimp, but small fish are his specialty, he slow swims around them until they are all in a close group them he lunges into the group to swallow the feeder guppies. He goes through about 100 of them a month. he is 10" long...

He still eats floating pellets well and ignores any fish on the bottom but top swimmers are in trouble. Anything alive interests him, i think he has complex electric sensors on his paddle. I would love to see his reaction to an electric fish like an elephantnose fish....

Now if he will just survive the poison spray in the basement...

#97 Guest_steve_*

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:51 AM

Wow, thanks for posting the update. Is the 10" length including the paddle?

#98 Guest_Moontanman_*

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:06 AM

yes, including his paddle, might be a bit longer, not good at judging the length of a swimming fish. And he did survive the spraying!!

#99 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:20 PM

A water change is in order for sure!

#100 Guest_Moontanman_*

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

No doubt, took care of that this morning. I always hate to spray poison, so easy to kill stuff you don't want. My basement has skinks and toads in it, i know the poison didn't do them any good...