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#21 taldridge0321

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 03:29 PM

Last fish of the day, great spot and I wish I had more than a few hours to spend some more time. Going back for sure. Fletcher+_23_.JPG



#22 Dustin

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 03:35 PM

Man, you hit a whole new watershed here and got some great fish.

 

1 Redline darter female

2 Fantail dater

3 River chub

4-5, 12-13 Gilt darter

6, 8 Sculpin (No idea what kind)

7 Swannanoa darter

9 Telescope shiner

10, 11 Redline darter male

14-17 White sucker

18, 20  Saffron shiner

19 Blacknose dace


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#23 taldridge0321

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 03:47 PM

Whew haha! Thanks for the id's. I wonder who the Sculpin expert is on here? I think we have Mottled/Blue Ridge and Banded Sculpins here. I have caught Mottled's before and these looked different but I am no expert.



#24 Doug_Dame

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 04:41 PM

This forum desperately needs a LIKE button. 

 

Everytime I see a redline darter, I wanna go BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG on the Like Button.

 

Ditto for gilt darters.

 

Very nice collection. Cane Creek or a trib of it, I assume? Haven't gotten there yet, been on my wanna-go list for a long time. 


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#25 taldridge0321

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 05:01 PM

This forum desperately needs a LIKE button. 

 

Everytime I see a redline darter, I wanna go BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG on the Like Button.

 

Ditto for gilt darters.

 

Very nice collection. Cane Creek or a trib of it, I assume? Haven't gotten there yet, been on my wanna-go list for a long time. 

Haha thanks Doug. I went on Fishmap and found out the area around Fletcher had a ton of hits on the map. The stream I went today was one I picked under the various Swannanoa Darter hits around Fletcher. It was a great spot. Some of the locations were deep and not easily wadable though.



#26 fritz

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 05:16 PM

mottled sculpin.  Blue Ridge is only in the Dan River and Cottus carolinae is extremely rare - maybe only 2 spots in NC



#27 fritz

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 05:19 PM

some kind of a chub is a stoneroller and I think Dustin's telescope may be a Tennessee shiner



#28 taldridge0321

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 05:26 PM

some kind of a chub is a stoneroller and I think Dustin's telescope may be a Tennessee shiner

I only caught one of those, the possible Tennessee Shiner, and it was in leaf litter.



#29 Dustin

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 05:28 PM

Yep I suck at stonerollers. Thanks Fritz. I thought maybe TN on the shiner too but the railroad track lateral line made me think telescope. The caudal blotch definitely looks TN though.

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#30 taldridge0321

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 06:12 PM

Sounds good, thanks for the id's guys.



#31 taldridge0321

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:08 AM

Could the Sculpin be a Banded? Just from looking on Fishmap, Banded Sculpins were caught in the same stream I was in yesterday. Also, from my Peterson book and Fishmap, wouldn't the Stoneroller be Largescale? The range for Central seems to run out before Fletcher and that general area.



#32 mattknepley

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:25 PM

Forget the like button; I want a "man... this dude makes me jealous all over again" button! :)

Those gilts are gorgeous. Thanks for posting.
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#33 taldridge0321

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:47 PM

Forget the like button; I want a "man... this dude makes me jealous all over again" button! :)

Those gilts are gorgeous. Thanks for posting.

Lol. Anytime. I have to go back up there, fish were everywhere.



#34 gerald

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:27 PM

I think the sucker (posts 14-17) may be a redhorse, as Tim suspected.  Silver, Black, or Golden are the most likely around there.   White sucker should have smaller anterior body scales.

 

A new guy in Asheville just joined the forum Tim.  I think you have an open invitation to go back there.


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#35 taldridge0321

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:43 PM

I think the sucker (posts 14-17) may be a redhorse, as Tim suspected.  Silver, Black, or Golden are the most likely around there.   White sucker should have smaller anterior body scales.

 

A new guy in Asheville just joined the forum Tim.  I think you have an open invitation to go back there.

Oh wow, about the Redhorse. I will have to do some scale counts I guess. It was very skinny on the tail before the caudal fin. The lips weren't V shaped at all.



#36 taldridge0321

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 06:37 PM

Gerald, I counted 46 lateral scales and 14 dorsal rays, according to my Peterson book it would be a Black Redhorse.

Oh wow, about the Redhorse. I will have to do some scale counts I guess. It was very skinny on the tail before the caudal fin.



#37 gerald

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 08:25 PM

That matches the scale and ray counts in Menhinick's book too, and there's more Black redhorse collection site dots than any other redhorse in the Fr.Br.


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#38 taldridge0321

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 06:36 AM

That matches the scale and ray counts in Menhinick's book too, and there's more Black redhorse collection site dots than any other redhorse in the Fr.Br.

That's good news, I only have four Moxos- Shorthead, Notchlip, Brassy and Striped Jumprocks. I think with the Black Redhorse the tail before the caudal fin is really thin, I did notice that initially when I caught it. Thanks for the heads up Gerald. Did you see the Sculpin? Would you say Mottled or possibly a Banded? I don't know much about Sculpins and have only ever found Mottled's.



#39 gerald

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 02:13 PM

I'll take my guesses on minnows, suckers, and darters ... but sculpins I'll leave for someone else's expertise.  Not sure I've ever seen anything except mottleds, and they are quite variable enough.


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#40 taldridge0321

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 05:42 PM

I'll take my guesses on minnows, suckers, and darters ... but sculpins I'll leave for someone else's expertise.  Not sure I've ever seen anything except mottleds, and they are quite variable enough.

Fritz said Mottled so I will definitely agree with him. Neat little fish though.





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