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#201 Chasmodes

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 07:00 AM

Yesterday afternoon, I had some time to work on the roots.  However, when I went downstairs, I remembered that my paintbrushes were all ruined.  Also, I opened up my can of Drylok and it was solid as a rock.  When I first bought the can a couple years ago, it fell out of my truck, opened up, and spilled white Drylok on my driveway.  Apparently, when I put the lid back on, I didn't put it on tight enough, and air got in there.  I was also out of the charcoal color cement dye, which is necessary to bring out the deeper nooks and crannies of the work.  So, I went to HD and they had everything that I needed in stock.
 
When I got home, I slapped on the first coat a Drylok, pretty thick too, to make sure that all of the root surface was covered, to seal everything in.  Drylok tends to shrink when it dries, I think, because sometimes, small holes in your work tend to open up when it dries and they require a touch up.  I only found two of those last night, so I'm really happy about how this coat went on.  The roots look pretty good now, as the pink foam is finally covered, but, they aren't the rootsy color that I want.  I will add a few new coats of Drylok to add color and try and bring out some realism.  I may add a few tricks to do that too, regarding texture.  I need to think about how to do that, and if I can pull it off, I'll review the how afterward.
 
Here is the Drylok that I used.  I prefer the Gray.  It's important not to get the "extreme" Drylok product because it has mold inhibitors and other chemicals that could be harmful to the tank.  This is latex based Drylok.  I mixed it with Quikrete charcoal color cement dye.  It's easy, just pull out some paint, pour in the liquid dye, and stir it in.
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I painted the first coat on thick because I really want to seal everything in to prevent pH issues from happening.
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First coat finished, from the front left side.
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A close up of the split bark section.  It looks much nicer with the pink foam board finally covered up.  I'm really happy with how this turned out.  Drylok is great because if you have detail carved into your work, it does not fill in the gaps and cover it up.  This is the only exposed foam after the grout coating.
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Showing the knot and hole.  I think it turned out too big, but I can live with it.
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More of a left side view.
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It's getting there...I can't wait to get home from work and work on it again tonight.

Kevin Wilson


#202 TheNonEuclidean

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 08:10 AM

Looks awesome! This gave me some great ideas about hiding some intakes or powerheads in a "root" system! Looking forward to seeing the finished tank.

#203 Chasmodes

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 08:56 AM

Looks awesome! This gave me some great ideas about hiding some intakes or powerheads in a "root" system! Looking forward to seeing the finished tank.

 

Thank you so much!  I'm looking forward to it too.  I've taken way too long on this build, so it's nice to see some light at the end of the tunnel (or root system)!  I'm hoping to have water in it in the next couple weeks, or sooner.


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#204 mattknepley

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 07:12 PM

Wow.  Looks great, Kevin.   It's kinda disgusting  though, actually.  You're like some kinda aquatic Chip Gaines&Martha Stewart love child.  You have got a creative vision and ability I envy.    

 

(Actually you're more like Chip and Joanna proper, but that didn't have the snark factor I was going for...)

 

Keep it coming, buddy.  Love your work.


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#205 Doug_Dame

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 07:32 PM

The difference between Kevin's 2-3 year project, and my 2-3 year projects, is that Kevin has actually produced something to look at. Already !!! 

 

Plus created an instructional on how others can follow in his footsteps, faster. 

 

It *IS* inspirational. 

 

Perspirational.

 

Rooterific.


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#206 Chasmodes

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:54 AM

LOL, thank you Matt and Doug!

 

My original plan was to have the roots done by this past Sunday.  I had a 3 day weekend to work on it, and only managed to work on it on Friday.  I slapped on another coat of Drylok, this time, mixed with Brown cement dye.  I totally covered up the dark charcoal color, not really planning ahead.  But, once you paint it, you either have to do it over or settle with it.  I confused myself over the coloration of the roots that I was after. 

 

I had two different approaches for coloring the roots.  The first option was to color them as if they were tree roots above water, and let nature take its course in my tank.  This would be the darker gray base that I used on the first coat, dabbed with lighter shades of gray, maybe a tint of brown and green here and there.  After a while, option one, with fish tank life, like algae and bacteria, would grow on the roots and eventually bring some realism to them.  The other option was to color the roots up like you'd see them underwater in the wild, simulating algae, bacteria and other life on them already.  This would be the brown base, colored up with lighter shades of brown.  My first coat was option one, but, instead of dabbing on the grays, I coated the second coat, not thinking, like option 2.  Fortunately, the fix is easy.  Either I re-coat for option one, or keep it as it is and proceed with option two.  

 

Option one would look like the roots that are above water, and option two would look like the underwater roots, both seen in these pics that I took the other day:

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Here's the brown coat, option 2, started, that I will complete.  I figured that the additional algae and other life in the tank will take it from being sort of lifelike to lifelike.  It will look more like nature sooner than option one.

 

Below are the roots after the base brown coat.  On the split root, I messed up and mixed up a funky mustard brown color.  I wanted a lighter shade of brown, but, it didn't work out.  I will fix it on the next painting application.

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#207 Chasmodes

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 08:50 AM

I had plans to fish on Saturday, so, my plan was to work on the tank on Sunday.  But, my buddy Glenn talked me into fishing on Sunday.  So, that's what I did, and I feel guilty about not working on the tank since.  But, I thought that I'd share some pics of the two streams that we fished.  I might collect rocks and gravel from one of them, or I might get them from the river.  But, I plan on doing my fish collecting from these two creeks below.

 

My buddy Rodger on Saturday, working a plastic worm for smallies.

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Here's my buddy, Glenn, fishing one of the creeks with me on Sunday.

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Here's a box turtle that we saw on Saturday where we parked and geared up.  It was a remote area dead end road, no danger of him getting squashed.

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Now, I have this thing for roots.  I'm always checking out their shapes and forms, because of studying them for my fake roots, I guess.  I never used to snap pics of them as scenery.  I used to see them as potential fish holding spots, but not scenery.  But, here ya go, I thought this was cool.  If I ever build a giant stream tank with roots, this would be my model tree.

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#208 Chasmodes

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:20 AM

I'm almost finished with the roots!  I only have one more coat of paint to dab on there.   I brushed on a thick coat of dark brown last week, and this yesterday, dabbed on a lighter color of brown with the sponge.  I will dab on an even lighter coat this weekend to finish up the painting. 
 
Here's a pic taken when I was finished, no flash.  
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It was hard to see any detail in this picture under the room lighting.  So, I took one using the flash on my phone.
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I liked how the flash shows more detail, so I put the roots in the tank.  Then, I brought in the two shop lights and put them over my tank and lit up the background and snapped these pics.  First, full tank shot:
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Zoomed in on the roots:
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Looking in from the right front view of the tank:
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I'm pretty happy with how they turned out so far.  Next steps after the last coat will be another dabbed on coat of paint for highlighting.  Then, I may seal it in with tile adhesive...I'm not sure yet.  I'm a little concerned about durability, because I had some cracking and a soft spot.  I don't understand why that happened, but maybe the tile adhesive will cinch things up.  I have some silicone mess to scrape off the right side of the tank too.
 
I am planning on going fishing this weekend, and my plan is to gather some rocks and gravel from the river.  If I can do that, then I can start running the tank!  I need to purchase lighting for this tank too, so I will do that soon.  I want an LED fixture that can grow plants.  It will be nice to get the 75g stream tank done so I can focus on finishing my oyster reef build.

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#209 Chasmodes

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 11:48 AM

News on the 75g stream tank:  First, I went on a fishing trip this past Saturday, and successfully collected enough river rock for my tank.  I need to get some sand and some smaller rocks and gravel still, maybe this weekend.  I decided on the new lighting fixture that I want, a Fluval Planted 3.0.  It should be perfect for this tank.  I will order this light fixture very soon.
 
Last night, I dabbed on the last coat of paint with a sponge to give it some highlights of a lighter color.  I think it turned out OK.  It doesn't look that much different than the last time I took pics.  I put my shop lights over the tank and took a few pics at different angles.
 
Full tank shot:
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From the left front corner of the tank:
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Close up of the roots in front:
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Right front corner of the tank view:
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Basically, my roots and background are almost done.  If it wasn't for the next step, that I just decided to do, that will happen as soon as I can.  I decided to seal in and protect my work on the background and roots with a clear coat epoxy called Polygem 1319.  I've read good things about it.  For example, it looks not so great without water in the tank, that it shows a shiny coat when dry, but in the water the shiny coat disappears and you can't tell that there is epoxy on there.  It dries hard as a rock, seals everything in underneath, and is very durable.  It's used by public aquariums and museums.  So, I ordered a quart of it, and it should arrive in a few days, hopefully in time for the weekend.  Anyone ever use this stuff before?
 
I figured that I put so much time and effort into this stuff, that it would be a shame to ruin it.  The Drylok is great, but, all it takes is a scrape from some sort of cleaning tool to chip off some foam or Drylok and you have an ugly pink spot.  The rock wall background and roots are actually pretty fragile.  I'm sure that I could easily chip off the grout, so this epoxy will help the roots too.  So, for now, another week, probably.

Kevin Wilson


#210 Chasmodes

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 07:24 AM

After doing some research, I probably will not use the Polygem 1319 on my rock wall. Apparently, it melts foam. I don't know what will happen with foam covered in Drylok. I may try a test piece, but, this stuff apparently gets very hot. I don't want to chance ruining the look of the rock wall.
 
As for the roots, I think that I will test it on a small section of the roots near the bottom that will be covered in rocks and substrate anyway. I can always add more grout and paint it again. Since the roots are covered in both Drylok and grout, maybe the heat won't be an issue. If it works, then I'll test a small section of the knob. If all goes well with the tests, then I'll apply it to the entire structure. 
 
I originally wanted something to firm up the grout anyway. I thought that maybe it would be a good thing to do with the foam. After researching, there aren't many options for clear coating over already painted foam. There are plenty of coatings that are white that you have to paint, but, for me, that isn't an option.

Kevin Wilson


#211 littlen

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 07:50 AM

Kevin, 

My 2 cents on Poly-gem:

It is GREAT stuff!  I've used lots of it for exhibit fabrication.  It is a 2 part epoxy and like some, it does get decently warm.  (I used a downgraded descriptor because 'hot' --- perhaps to the point of not being able to touch it---isn't the best fit).  So for your application, I would have no concerns that it would melt your foam due to heat.  But I cannot speak on any chemical rxns that may melt the foam.  I wouldn't think that it would, but test away!


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#212 Chasmodes

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:15 AM

Thank you Nick!  I have plenty of leftover foam and Drylok to test with :)  If it works without melting on the test, then I'll be so fired up!


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#213 littlen

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 08:42 AM

Thank you Nick!  I have plenty of leftover foam and Drylok to test with :)  If it works without melting on the test, then I'll be so fired up!

No problem.  I am confident that on the areas where you have Drylok covering the foam, you'll be fine.  And even on the raw foam, you should have a nice turn out.  You can knead in some concrete pigments when you're mixing the Poly-gem.  That'll save you from having to paint the entire thing a different color.  You'll then only have to do a light wash or add highlights to make it pop.  Good luck, sir.


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#214 brackishdude

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 09:02 AM

2 part epoxy mixtures can get extremely hot, but mainly when in high volume/low surface area, like in your mixing cup.  Heat will also speeds the cure.  For a longer working time, use a large shallow mixing pan rather than a cup.  The thin layer applied should not be a problem for foam, unless it was allowed to heat in the mixing cup.

I am pleased to see you are taking this step.  I was concerned about your roots dissolving



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#215 Chasmodes

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 10:36 AM

Thanks for the tips Nick and Andy.  I had some concerns about the roots too.  I think that the Drylok would protect them from dissolving, but, after it dried, I had some cracking.  I guess when the Drylok dried, it shrank, and cracked the grout.  If water gets in those cracks, then that could pose a problem with the plaster cloth inside.  I thought it would be best to find something that would seal it all in and improve the durability.  Your experiences with this stuff, and suggestions, give me a good amount of confidence.  Thanks again!

 

I purchased the Polygem 1319 which, based on what I've read in the reefing community, is crystal clear.  It shows up shiny out of the water, but literally disappears under water.  So, I'm hoping that I won't need to paint any more.  The Polygem rep emailed me back and wants me to call them.  I'll let y'all know what he says.


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#216 Chasmodes

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 12:31 PM

I talked to the rep and he said basically the same things that you guys recommended, that it should be OK, no problem with heat because you apply a thin coat, but to do some testing.  He answered all of my questions and took the time to really explain things.  Since I don't have to worry about mixing colors, he said that when using the clear coat, it would be better to mix up small batches and apply it in sections at a time, especially with the roots where it might take more time to apply because of the shape complexity.  As it turns out, they have a better product, 1618, that cures much faster.  Next time, I'll get that instead...same price.  In a nutshell, great customer service.


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